As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Think we all get that by now. Tank changing stance has also no comparison, I don think it has a cd for one, even if you think thats not a problem a tank can pretty much predict due to mechanics when he can dps, but no one can predict when anyone will take damage in between mechanics. For healers seconds count and someone can die very quick. Think healers always got to be ready to heal.

Actually, it does. Only Warrior can swap stances easily. Dark Knight requires both a sizable amount of MP and a GCD to turn Grit back on. Same rules apply to them but it goes less noticed because no tank will ever stand still. No one is arguing they shouldn't be healed focused, however playing any job rigidly means you're playing it sub-par.

[Coldstoni]

Role playing saying slowly so you can catch that bit. Lol at subpar it isn't sub par to fulfil the job description and that has always been to HEAL. Adding functions is the place of the player not you or your silly notions on the matter please do assume for one second you get to dictate whether doing the job is subpar you were never the sole person anyone had to answer to.

[era1Ne]

Would love for actual healer mains to converse on this matter... The stance aside healer DPS is helpful but it shouldnt ever have come to the point where 106 pages are being written over it.

I am a decent healer, despite having stuff to learn. Imo healers should dps whenever they can, BUT in a static communication and working together to reduce the dmg incoming is key. Even dd can help with virus + other skills. The discussion is ongoing, because many people talk about healing, but never really done it in raiding and therefore don't 100% get whats needed to be decent or good. "dealing dmg as healer is easy" or "heal me full or i am dead" are two sentences, i have heared in the past. Those are the guys, who think putting up dots and than press one button to win, is everything. I had an discussion this week and some people don't even know that healer have an opener for example. And then there are also tanks/dd telling you how you should heal "use cure 2 on every tank buster", which is not needed.

[AngelicSence]

You are the player before healer. It doesn't matter what MMO you play, as long as your character allows you to perform unique actions. You should execute it.. Whoever think healers should only heal can continue their journey, but me... as a player and someone looking to become the best, I'll do everything in my power to hasten our dungeon run. That means, I'll DPS as a white mage and heal, while carefully planning my mana usage. It's just part of the strategy to me. To be honest, if you DPS and heal in dungeon, it kinda trains your brain and increase your reflexes. It's a good thing.

[Feyona]

Sorry but no one "randomly" takes damage. That's not how this game works. Fights are very scripted.

So sorry I must be playing a different game then because in all the groups Im in people take damage and sometimes need a rez. Unless no one in your groups never take any. Well Im talking from experience at least. And its doubtful anyone is going to die cos a tank is in wrong stance for 2 secs longer than he should be

[Feyona]

Also... slightly off-topic, PLD's sword oath is on the GCD, meaning that it takes 2.5 seconds to go into it, and 2.5 seconds to get out of it, so yes there is a barrier.

You are right it is the expectation and it isnt just MY problem as you can see other people get it too, but I wish I had never mentioned my personal experience because it tends to get made the entire problem that only I have and no one else . But these were just examples of what happens when you dont get chance to learn this optimal level of play and you are nervous about doing it and its interpreted as refusing, like its so easy everyone can do it. Even when learning a fight. Im not a proffessional footballer and those places are extremely hard to get. Yes you can improve but if no one has a learner then you cant progress. Its hard to do in new content so should be disabled. I am not the only person that finds it hard even hardcore groups say learn fight first. I dont have such a narrow mind that IIm not seeing the whole picture of the situation. This is like not having a pitch to play on tbh it creates exclusion from content . I can heal stuff though same as a guy can have fun playing with his friends and still win a football game. Cos he can still score goals. Doesnt matter if he cant be a goal keeper and score at the same time. Actually goal keeping is a very good analogy as it is essentia for him to be there but doesnt have to do everything the rest of the team is doing he has to watch the ball though and prevent a goal Its doubt full If his team moans at him for standing there for 10 seconds though without trying to score a goal. Would you say goal keepers are lazy?

[Feyona]

Actually, it does. Only Warrior can swap stances easily. Dark Knight requires both a sizable amount of MP and a GCD to turn Grit back on. Same rules apply to them but it goes less noticed because no tank will ever stand still. No one is arguing they shouldn't be healed focused, however playing any job rigidly means you're playing it sub-par.

No one doubts tanking may be difficult to manage or more complex and it is hard to get a really good tank that can do it all. Here Im talking about wipes when a healer cant pull it off correctly. Just as that tank dps is optimal so is healer dps, and its not easy to manage in new content especially sch that has an overwhelming set of skills to manage at the same time as learning the fight especially for someone new to savage content. Just like you I have tank and healers, but ive invested my time into healing more to learn. Maybe it goes less noticed because wiping does occur as much from it maybe?

[bounddreamer]

Actually, it does. Only Warrior can swap stances easily. Dark Knight requires both a sizable amount of MP and a GCD to turn Grit back on. Same rules apply to them but it goes less noticed because no tank will ever stand still. No one is arguing they shouldn't be healed focused, however playing any job rigidly means you're playing it sub-par.

Actually Warrior stance swap has a cooldown too. If I'm in Defiance and I accidentally toggle Deliverance when I need to be in Defiance, I have to wait and deal with it while I wait for Defiance to be available to swap stances again. And it can lead to a wipe if done at the wrong time.

[Feyona]

Actually Warrior stance swap has a cooldown too. If I'm in Defiance and I accidentally toggle Deliverance when I need to be in Defiance, I have to wait and deal with it while I wait for Defiance to be available to swap stances again. And it can lead to a wipe if done at the wrong time.

Tank swaping happens predictedly though same as healer got to time whirlwind and photon. I woulnt go cleric when those coming and got to make sure I got light speed available. Same sort of thing. Dont think tanks have to fit stance changing in 15 sec windows though, may be wrong, I dont play tank high level, so its hard for me to comment on difficulty, just as you dont play sch high end.

[Feyona]

You are the player before healer. It doesn't matter what MMO you play, as long as your character allows you to perform unique actions. You should execute it.. Whoever think healers should only heal can continue their journey, but me... as a player and someone looking to become the best, I'll do everything in my power to hasten our dungeon run. That means, I'll DPS as a white mage and heal, while carefully planning my mana usage. It's just part of the strategy to me. To be honest, if you DPS and heal in dungeon, it kinda trains your brain and increase your reflexes. It's a good thing.

Think Ive said before Ive played eso and wow. In wow healers never dps or its not expected. except disco priest whicn is built into the class and it heals while it does so same as monk. On eso alot of spells heal while dps and visa versa. These do not have such an awkward handicapping mechanic such as cleric. Your role is determined by build in eso it seems. Just to add here though none of them have 36 or so skills they have to manage and personally think thats rather excessive on any game. Eso you only have five you can use at one time and you can do ten or 15 for expert play I guess that changing stance or what they call 'weapon swap' but thats 1 click you dont need to retarget cos u just aim it at mob