Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[Jijifli]

I feel you. I do. But, you don't get to decide what the norm is. The community sets it, and the community has spoken. Speedrunners are the norm, so if you want to farm chests, set up a PF.

Just like if you wanted to watch all the cutscenes in Castrum. The community norm in DF is to skip, so set up a PF if you want to go against the grain.

It's not griefing just because you are the outlier.

Based on my experience, with two Kinna weapons, and having the mount and minions from clearing the 50/100 floors, we're having a problem.

Most of the time, random parties I get want to do chests. So based on majority, speedrun is NOT the DF rule. When I am in Quarrymill you know what I hear for party recruitment? 100% of the time, speedrun party. Because DF wasn't for speedrun, and a party had to be made.

And either way, this does not mean players are allowed to harass/grief because of it. If you were in Castrum, would you refuse to participate if one person in party watched a cutscene? Because people certain refuse to participate or try to wipe the group in palace if they want a speedrun, but don't get it. I literally got yelled at by someone for not doing 41-50 when that was the top floor in 2 minutes. TWO MINUTES!

So right back, make your own PF if you want to speedrun. People already are. Nobody is for chest farming.

[Zigabar]

That is correct, and the toxicity is greatly showing in this thread. People keep saying 3>1 well you are being toxic to new people and hindering progress to someone because some people want to harass by majority and that is wrong to do. you are breaking rule 3.2 in this

You need new example material if PVP chat restriction is not the agenda you're trying to push. You also need a new word. Toxic is getting old and it's bucket is leaking water.


Also, 3>1.

[Vidu]

That is correct, and the toxicity is greatly showing in this thread. People keep saying 3>1 well you are being toxic to new people and hindering progress to someone because some people want to harass by majority and that is wrong to do. you are breaking rule 3.2 in this

No, its not... *sigh*

It is not harrassment to not share the goal of another person and tell them that in a polite manner. It is not toxic to say "See, we are four people - three of us would like to do this, you're the only one who wants to do that - we're sorry but for this group there is more intrest to do 'this'"
Not getting what you want isnt harrassement or you being misstreated - why cant you see that?
Why do you still believe that the intrests of a new person are so much more important than those of three other people? Those arent NPCs, you know? And by constantly accussing them of harrassment and violation of the ToS you're showing a pretty toxic attitude yourself.
You're not getting something your way doesnt mean someone is breaking the law or being a bad person - its just that person saying "I have my own intrests and I dont share yours - but my reason to be here is still as valid as yours."

[Jijifli]

You need new example material if PVP chat restriction is not the agenda you're trying to push. You also need a new word. Toxic is getting old and it's bucket is leaking water.


Also, 3>1.

Using Shadewalker on the party and pulling as much as you can because someone went for chests.

Is that a better example?

[dragonseth07]

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My anecdotal experience is different than yours. *shrug*

[Zigabar]

Using Shadewalker on the party and pulling as much as you can because someone went for chests.

Is that a better example?

As someone who is currently farming POTD with DF a lot, that happens so little (I haven't seen it at all), that it's a really bad example. Try again.

[Vidu]

Using Shadewalker on the party and pulling as much as you can because someone went for chests.

Is that a better example?

That is not what happend though - from what OP told us all that happend was a person sitting at the lamp saying "No, I wont help you get your chests"
We havent been talking about people intionally and activley ruin the dungeon by using griefing tactics like that because they didnt got what they wanted. We're talking about people saying "We rather proceed with the dungeon instead of looking for chests"

I can easly turn your example around: A person who wants chests and insisted that the others help them can easly hold the whole group hostage by refusing to step into the lamp. So hows that? The Chest-wanting-person sitting right next to the lamp claiming they wont move an inch until everyone goes and looks for their chests - is that okay in your book?

[Jijifli]

As someone who is currently farming POTD with DF a lot, that happens so little (I haven't seen it at all), that it's a really bad example. Try again.

Intentionally refusing to attack in order to extend how long it takes, because people wanted chests.

Intentionally setting off traps to try and damage the party's chance, because people wanted chests.

Wasting any Pomander obtained because someone wanted chests. No. Seriously. Why throw 3 Intuitions because I wanted the silver in the room next over?

Somewhat hits an earlier example, but intentionally not killing mimics to try and spread pox in a party with no healers. Extra annoying when they throw the purity too.

Actual verbal harassment. Even as far as to take place outside of palace if they're on your server.

All of those have happened to me, because I wanted to get a silver chest. I farmed it a lot too, enough for my fc to question my sanity. Maybe your experience is different. I'm stating what has happened to me. I am stating examples because for whatever reason, people are saying the harassment is okay because in those parties, there was a majority.

But hey! At least I learned you can't remove shadewalker from Palace. That's good right?

That is not what happend though - from what OP told us all that happend was a person sitting at the lamp saying "No, I wont help you get your chests"
We havent been talking about people intionally and activley ruin the dungeon by using griefing tactics like that because they didnt got what they wanted. We're talking about people saying "We rather proceed with the dungeon instead of looking for chests"

I can easly turn your example around: A person who wants chests and insisted that the others help them can easly hold the whole group hostage by refusing to step into the lamp. So hows that? The Chest-wanting-person sitting right next to the lamp claiming they wont move an inch until everyone goes and looks for their chests - is that okay in your book?

No, no it's not. I've kicked people for that as well.

I go into the room, see if there's a silver, and if there's none I leave. I only mention this because, outside of just that, there's other ones. Also, since you mentioned it at the earlier posts, I have not ran into one person who was nice when wanting a speed run. I get some people want a speed run. There isn't a need to harass people that don't, some of which even go as far as outside of the palace if you're on the same server. Maybe if they were nice, there'd be an agreement, but most are harassing, at least from my experience.

[Nixxe]

Most of the time, random parties I get want to do chests. So based on majority, speedrun is NOT the DF rule. When I am in Quarrymill you know what I hear for party recruitment? 100% of the time, speedrun party. Because DF wasn't for speedrun, and a party had to be made.

Even if 75% of participants are for speed runs, that's still an average of 1 non-speed runner per group, which is all it takes to keep it from being a speed run unless the other three are willing to kick over it, which does not seem to be the case most of the time. That people are making groups to guarantee they get what they want doesn't mean much other than it's very easy to turn a speed run into anything but.

[Ama_Hamada]

That is not what happend though - from what OP told us all that happend was a person sitting at the lamp saying "No, I wont help you get your chests"We havent been talking about people intionally and activley ruin the dungeon by using griefing tactics like that because they didnt got what they wanted. We're talking about people saying "We rather proceed with the dungeon instead of looking for chests"

I can easly turn your example around: A person who wants chests and insisted that the others help them can easly hold the whole group hostage by refusing to step into the lamp. So hows that? The Chest-wanting-person sitting right next to the lamp claiming they wont move an inch until everyone goes and looks for their chests - is that okay in your book?

I did, my friend got MPKed/ sabotage fail from kicking out a speedrunner who was harassing her and also doing the "I am just going to afk here" so the second person that wanted speed run sabotaged the run and mpked the 2 that wanted chests. I guess speedrunning is so important they waist more time greifing then what a speed run aims to save, because that makes sense>???

Keep in mind I am talking about several different runs of speedrun harassment, not just 1 or 2 cases.

A lot of people are also assuming 3 v1 cases and I do not know why, what about 2 v 2 cases?
3>1 if the 1 is a speedrunner, 1 >3 if the one is wants chests, you can't majority harass someone for not speedrunning, that is not right on them. You need all 4 to agree to speedrun to speed run in DF, you can't grief people's progress because you want to save 5 minutes, that is insanely selfish.