Why are summoners so neglected?

[Naria]

I swear I must be one of the only people who plays summoner right now that likes how they have designed it as well as thinking it is an improvement to XI's summoner. Yes having lots of summons was fun. Being told to go whm or blm instead and almost never playing summoner unless I was solo wasn't.

[Settiesama]

I swear I must be one of the only people who plays summoner right now that likes how they have designed it as well as thinking it is an improvement to XI's summoner. Yes having lots of summons was fun. Being told to go whm or blm instead and almost never playing summoner unless I was solo wasn't.

Don't forget after Alexander was released to us "Oh, come Summon for Astral Flow only, don't TP feed"

Edit: Forgot about "Summon Garuda/Ramuh and use Pred Claws/Stun then release until timer is back"

[NaesakiAshwell]

I swear I must be one of the only people who plays summoner right now that likes how they have designed it as well as thinking it is an improvement to XI's summoner. Yes having lots of summons was fun. Being told to go whm or blm instead and almost never playing summoner unless I was solo wasn't.

I really enjoy how Summoner is right now as well. So you aren't alone Naria.


Also, if you have to reach end game to be the summoner you're meant to be then thats not good design and I did absolutely adore the XI Summoner but unless I was solo or at end game, I couldn't really be it.

[Naria]

Don't forget after Alexander was released to us "Oh, come Summon for Astral Flow only, don't TP feed"

Ah yes I had forgotten that. Ugh. Although I wonder if a lot of the people with summoner nostalgia quit before Abyssea.

[Inosaska]

Putting in support for a SMN with actual pet mechanics.

I'm really frustrated to see the same negative arguments being made over and over that aren't actually relevant. Stuff like how great SMN currently is for damage, etc etc. The issue is a design one, not a potency one!

Also lots of negative stuff about XI's SMN that's unbelievably out of date. WotG is ten years old!

Exactly starting off by making a better pet mechanic system would be a good starting point in re-designing the job and splitting it off from Arcanist and Scholar and making Summoner into its own job.

[xxvaynxx]

(why the heck is Contagion still tied to Garuda instead of the summoner themselves?)

This right here.
If it wasn't for contagion I would use ifrit (unless there's a bard) more and to be honest, they SHOULD do this if they thinking about adding more pets, because come on really? extending your DoT timer on a DoT job locked to one pet...So they either need to give it to summoner itself or to all Pets.
If they don't, garuda will always be the best pet to use in Raids and EX Primals due to contagion.

[NaesakiAshwell]

This right here.
If it wasn't for contagion I would use ifrit (unless there's a bard) more and to be honest, they SHOULD do this if they thinking about adding more pets, because come on really? extending your DoT timer on a DoT job locked to one pet...So they either need to give it to summoner itself or to all Pets.
If they don't, garuda will always be the best pet to use in Raids and EX Primals due to contagion.

I'd honestly prefer contagion as a spell to use myself so I could cycle the summons more, and also a lot of the time you really have to click contagion several times before Garuda will actually do it.

[Inosaska]

This right here.
If it wasn't for contagion I would use ifrit (unless there's a bard) more and to be honest, they SHOULD do this if they thinking about adding more pets, because come on really? extending your DoT timer on a DoT job locked to one pet...So they either need to give it to summoner itself or to all Pets.
If they don't, garuda will always be the best pet to use in Raids and EX Primals due to contagion.

I really hope with the combat review of abilities that this problem gets fixed. It's not much of a summoner job if you're really only using one pet lol

[Zhamkyong]

I swear I must be one of the only people who plays summoner right now that likes how they have designed it as well as thinking it is an improvement to XI's summoner. Yes having lots of summons was fun. Being told to go whm or blm instead and almost never playing summoner unless I was solo wasn't.

No, i also think Summoner it's in a good position right now and has a good set of abilities, the only thing i am concerned about is of the future of the Job itself and its identity: A Pet class or a better understanding of the Trance power we unlocked in HW. I love the Summoner in the FF series and the interaction it had in each game with the Avatars... And that is what, for me, it feels empty of the class right now. Sure, i know the Lore of the game about the Primals and i am not asking it to be changed, that doesnt mean i dont have my own opinion about how the class could be/feel in regard of the Summoner aesthetic of the series.

[Jerbob]

I really enjoy how Summoner is right now as well. So you aren't alone Naria.


*waits for a certain person on these boards to rush in again to tell everyone how XI Summoner at endgame was no longer the healing battery.* >.> <.< if you have to reach end game to be the summoner you're meant to be then thats not good design. And I absolutely adore the XI Summoner but unless I was solo or at end game, I couldn't really be it.

XI Summoner is currently not a healing battery at any point in the game, levelling up or otherwise. Someone at SE actually gives us gear with pet stats now!

Nothing about XI's Summoner mechanically made it suited to healing. Nothing about it mechanically made it weak offensively. Bad balancing and a complete lack of equipment did that. No one is asking for bad balancing and a lack of gear to be imported into XIV.