Why are summoners so neglected?

[Reaperking386]

What would be the point of new pets? The majority of them would be strictly situational or unused. You will probably be using the same 2 Egi's for raiding and dungeons unless you are willingly allowing your self to lose dps for eye candy.

WoW is also a terrible example. Warlocks barely use pets that are not forcefully spec for them. Hunter pets are so pointless as a survival or marksman that they piratically removed them and even if you are a beast master your pet will be most likely be a spirit beast because they are the best.

[Nerisu]

Meanwhile I'm just sitting here hoping that the new egi glamours changes the attack animations to their respective elements--I wouldn't want to see a Ramuh-egi shooting wind attacks or Leviathan-egi leaving a mud puddle or Shiva-egi hitting things with a flaming sword. That is, if we're actually getting Primal themed glamours and not just more carbuncles (Though I would like an amethyst carbuncle myself).

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I'm really getting sick of SE turning the community outcrys around on us and saying "oh well we'll just never do this again".

The community is whining because SMN was boring and badly designed, especially in 2.0. That doesn't mean to regret ever making it, it means to improve.

With Diadem, it's not because we have this kneejerk reaction to cry at any and everything, it's incredibly boring content that is being incencitized by a weapon that completely trashes the rewards of savage raiding and anima weapons.

[Starkbeaumont]

ok, let's give SMN those huge AoE attacks, which cost a ton of mp and make the summon disappear after it's done.
also make WAR and DRK DPS, erase SCH and AST from the game as they make WHM look bad.
Introduce SAM as tank. Give DRG invulnerability during jumps. seperate NIN and ROG (aka thief). give MNK all the utility. and have sheltron block magic attacks.

Did I forget anything?

[KokonoeAiyoko]

gf posting:

it wasn't till abyssea that smn actually summoned. Before you was told to /whm and heal. and even still avatar summons had too many cons and not enough pros

This is false. You could summon and attack as a BLM would and get to rest during downtime just as a BLM would. Yes, there were scenarios where you could be a healer, but if you weren't a bad SMN and actually had the summons, you could use them in a party just fine. Predator Claws has always been destructive. Also, if you had Carbuncle Mitts, you were assured to be able to DPS if all you had was Carbuncle. SMN may have had flaws, but classes in general had flaws in FFXI so that's unrelated to the idea of using a summon to attack. SMN's had to worry about perpetuation cost, MP, long delays on special abilities, and many other things that you wouldn't have to worry about in FFXIV.

Me and my b/f like smn as is, everyone would just pick "the best" summon and make people use that 1. I recall playing smn with my b/f and a person calling me out for using ifrit when my g/f already used garuda. :/

I mean, if you use Titan in this game in a party someone's gonna call you out on that too. SMN had many summons, and yeah some did better for a majority of the content, but that doesn't mean the other summons were outright useless. You could still use them for their buffs, and plenty of fights that required a certain element.

pup, bst smn in ff11 was pet focused jobs and was called weak for it. pup had no abilities outside making the pet do things. bst had animals and smn had avatars.

each class was considered weak, useless, and unwanted till abyssea. smn wAs told to heal, and pup was lolpup. bst were never invited because of exp down things, and even after unless you had the crab pot pet was weak.

They weren't weak for being pet jobs, they were weak because of FFXI's "balance". Look at Red Mage and how that got nerfed into oblivion, they were always afraid to buff anything. Look at THF as well. So let's not say that the issue was that pet jobs don't work, the real issue with FFXI was that the team balancing the game had no clue how to balance pet jobs AND plenty of other jobs. Hell, Bard was essentially useless because of Abyssea, as was Paladin.

i think smn and sch was handled well in ff14. ya it isn't what people want, but at least it isn't "weak". please take off the rose tinted glasses and remember HOW ff11 jobs were played, not what the job entailed.

The problem is not that SMN isn't handled well as a DPS, it's that SMN is not handled well as a 'Summoner', and it's some kind of damage over time job. I'd much rather it be called something else like "Channeler" someone mentioned in this thread.

[LunarEmerald]

For the record we are supposed to be getting more egi glamours. The different colored carbuncles was just the beginning. They do plan on adding other primals as glamour. The carbuncles came first because the model and animations already existed in the game. For the others they have to create them from scratch and that takes time.

For them to go through the trouble of creating an entirely new glamour system just for us (scholars don't even have it), you can't say they're neglecting summoners.

[Remus]

I like the current Summoner. Still feels like a Summoner to me.

Please don't change it SE. Keep going the direction you are.

[Mature]

The problem with SMN is the pets.

The simplest solution is to do what they with DWT. I will suggest to remove the pets and you get adsort their power and gain their abilities rather than summoning them.

So you get DWT for ifrit Garuda and titan too.

[Atlaworks]

Summoner? Neglected? Bahahahahahaha.

I mean yeah, in 2.5 they had the short end of the stick, and it sucked to be one. Then they got dreadwyrm trance and akh morn and became one of the best DPS classes in the game for a long time, and they're still one of the best AoE classes, easily the most mobile ranged classes, and probably the best PotD soloing class, among other things.

Meanwhile, MCH is still rockin' one lunchbox, if you wanna talk "I want more egi glamours" at me.

[ErryK]

ITT:
Wah! I don't agree with this reimagining of Summoner!

Well, apply to SE and see if you can get a job as a director of FFXVIII and lead the Summoner job in there.