Why are summoners so neglected?

[Yamimarik]

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Pretty sure the top DPS atm are MCHs and Mnks? I can't remember specifically, but it's out there. So I'm not sure where this comment is coming from >.>

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it wasn't till abyssea that smn actually summoned. Before you was told to /whm and heal. and even still avatar summons had too many cons and not enough pros

Actually, SMN in endgame was always useful for Astral Flow, or Something like a one hit Garuda, Fenrir, or Diabolos. They only really healed in leveling/merit parties. Summoner in FFXI was always about that 2hr Astral Flow especially when Alexander and his "Perfect Defense" came out.

pup, bst smn in ff11 was pet focused jobs and was called weak for it. pup had no abilities outside making the pet do things. bst had animals and smn had avatars.

each class was considered weak, useless, and unwanted till abyssea. smn wAs told to heal, and pup was lolpup. bst were never invited because of exp down things, and even after unless you had the crab pot pet was weak.

i think smn and sch was handled well in ff14. ya it isn't what people want, but at least it isn't "weak". please take off the rose tinted glasses and remember HOW ff11 jobs were played, not what the job entailed.

Nice edits there, Um... did we play the same FFXI game? Summoner, Beastmaster, and Puppetmaster could ALL solo things most other jobs could not at the time. Just look up any good video about PUP soloing Proto-Ultimas, or SMN's practically soloing some of the Sky gods. Sure kiting was more of a thing there, but even BST was the supreme solo job minus RDM. Sure /BLU /DNC really saw things open up for other jobs as time went on, but they were all far from weak. So I'm not sure what rose tinted glasses you speak of...

Now of course BALANCE was a whole different issue, and yes. Balancing here is FAR better then it was in FFXI.

[BigRed5392]

Pretty sure the top DPS atm are MCHs and Mnks? I can't remember specifically, but it's out there. So I'm not sure where this comment is coming from >.>



Actually, SMN in endgame was always useful for Astral Flow, or Something like a one hit Garuda, Fenrir, or Diabolos. They only really healed in leveling/merit parties. Summoner in FFXI was always about that 2hr Astral Flow especially when Alexander and his "Perfect Defense" came out.

ya... still was told to heal though in most things.

[Silverquick]

Pretty sure the top DPS atm are MCHs and Mnks? I can't remember specifically, but it's out there. So I'm not sure where this comment is coming from >.>

What are you talking about...

SMN is the top for AoE and multiple opponents...

But either way the top slots are either SMN or MCH or even BRD... so stop this nonsense.

Actually, SMN in endgame was always useful for Astral Flow, or Something like a one hit Garuda, Fenrir, or Diabolos. They only really healed in leveling/merit parties. Summoner in FFXI was always about that 2hr Astral Flow especially when Alexander and his "Perfect Defense" came out.

I played that POS in FFXI... and no it wasn't it was little more than a half assed white mage.

It stunk on Ice... I hear that after they graded the content down to low challenge level it FINALLY was playable...and you want that?

Seriously?

Man I'll take the THIS version of the SMN... over that one.... any day of the week... at the very least its viable and powerful... I cannot say that about the FFXI Summoner who was little more than a gimped WHM.

That one blew chunks.

[Yamimarik]

/nonsense

Last time responding to you then lol.
Learn to read first please, because everything you said in your post has nothing to do with what I was saying, and yes FFlogs exist, please look it up. SMN is up there, but it's still not the top.

Also just looked up your Lodestone, you don't even have a level 60. And don't give me this "I'm posting on an alt." To me that just makes you the less credible one. No reason to hide behind an alt.

[Stanelis]

I played that POS in FFXI... and no it wasn't it was little more than a half assed white mage.

It stunk on Ice... I hear that after they graded the content down to low challenge level it FINALLY was playable...and you want that?

Seriously?

Man I'll take the THIS version of the SMN... over that one.... any day of the week... at the very least its viable and powerful... I cannot say that about the FFXI Summoner who was little more than a gimped WHM.

That one blew chunks.

I was playing smn in endgame before abyssea and they were really usefull, especially on high ends HNM. Because a) you didn't need a lot of gear to deal tons of damage with predator claws or that diabolos move I don't remember b) that damage was enmity free once the summon was unsummoned.

You only healed in leveling party due to how MP intensive the use of summoner's skills were.

[Cabalabob]

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it wasn't till abyssea that smn actually summoned. Before you was told to /whm and heal. and even still avatar summons had too many cons and not enough pros

Me and my b/f like smn as is, everyone would just pick "the best" summon and make people use that 1. I recall playing smn with my b/f and a person calling me out for using ifrit when my g/f already used garuda. :/

FFXI SMN under Tanaka was trash because he had no idea how to balance it and was too scared to even try, sound like any other director around here? But the changes made to SMN under Matsui has put SMN on the map and made it the SMN that other MMO's should want to be. Yes it has its flaws and balance issues still as every job in an MMO inevitably has, but it is a true summoner now and a competitive job.

[BigRed5392]

FFXI SMN under Tanaka was trash because he had no idea how to balance it and was too scared to even try, sound like any other director around here? But the changes made to SMN under Matsui has put SMN on the map and made it the SMN that other MMO's should want to be.

when was this I quit before SOA was out? im talking 90% of ff11 from 2004 when i got into it, till 2012 when ff14 was released. (i hated abyssea)

[Cabalabob]

when was this I quit before SOA was out? im talking 90% of ff11 from 2004 when i got into it, till 2012 when ff14 was released. (i hated abyssea)

He became director right before the release of SoA which was the last expansion under Tanaka. Matsui was originally part of the battle system team for FFXI, he's also the one who worked on FFXIV to make it the battle system people actually liked in 1.23. Then went back to be director of FFXI when Tanaka left.

[AnaviAnael]

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pup, bst smn in ff11 was pet focused jobs and was called weak for it. pup had no abilities outside making the pet do things. bst had animals and smn had avatars.

Trust me, I was a SMN and DNC main in FFXI. Wanna know what I came to content on? WHM. (Granted that may have been because I'm OCD about removing status debuffs.)

[BigRed5392]

Trust me, I was a SMN and DNC main in FFXI. Wanna know what I came to content on? WHM. (Granted that may have been because I'm OCD about removing status debuffs.)

and i was a smn main from 2005-2011 after i got tired of being a cure battery. still don't get the point of the post