Why are summoners so neglected?

[MagiusNecros]

Because you know... Deathflare isn't one of the coolest spells in the entire game.... oh wait.

Blizzard 4 is kiddo.

[Celef]

That's a lot of spells used under the Transe oO How much speed cast to you have ?

Played it yesterday evening on Thordan, yep, still feeling like playing a cute necromancer :/

[Magic-Mal]

That's a lot of spells used under the Transe oO How much speed cast to you have ?

Played it yesterday evening on Thordan, yep, still feeling like playing a cute necromancer :/

There are two Trances involved in my opener. I count them in because they all go in a sequence but my downtime starts after the 2nd Deathflare.

Also I have 925 spell speed.

[Mature]

Anything over 700 SS is a waste of critical or determination points.

I'm at 1120 critical +food
812 determination
712 Spell Speed.
For my own liking this is optimal. I can fit perfectly 6 R3.

Back to the topic, it would be better to actually have the Egis actions rather than having the pets

Or something like

Ifrit stance
Garuda stance
Titan stance

(Maybe one day Ramuh Shiva etc etc stances)

So this way we open another channel to recruit new summons as their stances.hope it makes sense

[Magic-Mal]

Anything over 700 SS is a waste of critical or determination points

Off-Topic:

For SMN, Spell Speed is actually weighed higher than Determination. Just slightly. : p
https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/stat-weights/

My stats without food:
Crit: 1095
Det: 526
SS: 921**

I'm only i265 though and stuck with i260 shire currently >.<

I wouldn't say it would make Garuda garbage but it would certainly make things more balanced and give us the chance to use iffy-kun based on the party comp.
Have a bard? use garuda. Have mch? use ifrit. Don't have any? Use what you want.
Though in dgn's you could always use what you want anyway because faceroll, but you'll never been in a savage raid static without a bard or mch.

What I meant by useless is that without Contagion, unless a new utility is added to Garuda, she has nothing to help anyone. Her Enkindle is weaker than Ifrit's, she doesn't have a stun(like Ifrit). she doesn't have a unique utility(like Ifrit's shield), her AoE is weaker than Ifrit's, and her basic attack power is alot weaker, since Ifrit has auto-attack and the slash. Plus, Inferno and his AoE thing are both magic.

Garuda would need a big buff to match.

[LunarEmerald]

Anything over 700 SS is a waste of critical or determination points.

I'm at 1120 critical +food
812 determination
712 Spell Speed.
For my own liking this is optimal. I can fit perfectly 6 R3.

Back to the topic, it would be better to actually have the Egis actions rather than having the pets

Or something like

Ifrit stance
Garuda stance
Titan stance

(Maybe one day Ramuh Shiva etc etc stances)

So this way we open another channel to recruit new summons as their stances.hope it makes sense

At 700 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.04.
At 972 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.08.

When you consider how many dot ticks you get in a battle, it makes a decent difference.

You never lose critical hit points because you never prioritize spell speed over it. All you lose is determination and spell speed is weighted slightly higher.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

We all have our opinions on Summoner's implementation in this game and that's fine! I just wanted to point out that there's a misconception on what some people are actually wanting from SMN. We're wanting not merely just how Summons were back in the day (FF3-FF6, etc), but how they were in Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy XI. As in, the type of Summoner where they fight alongside you and you control them as a pet job, not particularly a spell based job.

Stuff like this:

[Mature]

At 700 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.04.
At 972 SS, your dots have a multiplier of 1.08.

When you consider how many dot ticks you get in a battle, it makes a decent difference.

You never lose critical hit points because you never prioritize spell speed over it. All you lose is determination and spell speed is weighted slightly higher.

Exactly but for the sake of 0.4 (and nearly 200 points into det) I wouldn't even bother to me is a total waste. I treasure my fester and R3 damage.

[Ama_Hamada]

You mean SMN's that don't know what they're doing put DoTs on and spam Ruin.

My rotation. It may not 100% accurate to what I do but I know it's close.

forgot obey:
https://youtu.be/eHTCwDXVeWY?t=89

I doono my friend likes SMN in general but can't play it in this game. She can easily use her blm gear for it, even use same sub stats but simply frustrated and up in arms in what to do and does not like the button mashing of all the different spells and wish it was more pet based.

[Lambdafish]

Meanwhile... can I have fairy glamour please?

Dreadwyrm trance was a step in the right direction, summoners can literally summon bahamut. All you need to do is tweak animations to look more epic, add more trances, and make summoners feel like the are embuing the power of summons, and what you have is a SMN plays the same, and feel like a summoner.