What is it with some tanks, healers, and dps?

[TitaniumVulpes]

You accuse me of being an "ableist" despite me saying clearly that physical and mental disability are valid excuses for poor play.

Pretty sure he called you ableist for equating disability with poor play, and in my opinion it is kind of weird to single it out as a valid excuse. I remember my first run through the Great Gubal Library, the first boss made my computer lag, I got stressed, almost had an autistic meltdown, and eventually did have a minor seizure. The second time I fought the boss, I zoomed the camera in so that I wouldn't have any of those problems and did just fine. I was dead weight because I was new, not because of my disabilities; they just mean I have to learn how to combat whatever triggers might show up. Refusing to learn how to handle your disability isn't any more valid an excuse than any other excuse that's been mentioned imo.

[Adire]

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I doubt it. I wasn't even saying everyone who is disabled plays poorly. I myself have severe social anxiety, yet I push myself to excel. Disabilities are oftentimes uncontrollable. If they have a permanent effect on your play, there's nothing you can do. In his little list however, all of those things can be easily avoided if people are simply considerate of their groups.

Unfortunately, it seems some will argue day and night that we should accept that some players won't put in effort. If everyone stopped carrying said players through content, it would be interesting to see the results.

[BigRed5392]

I doubt it. I wasn't even saying everyone who is disabled plays poorly. I myself have severe social anxiety, yet I push myself to excel. Disabilities are oftentimes uncontrollable. If they have a permanent effect on your play, there's nothing you can do. In his little list however, all of those things can be easily avoided if people are simply considerate of their groups.

Unfortunately, it seems some will argue day and night that we should accept that some players won't put in effort. If everyone stopped carrying said players through content, it would be interesting to see the results.

Or maybe you should look in a mirror to how you come off?

It is kinda rude, The things he listed can happen at any moment with no control, telling people to leave like you are is pretty rude. And you really have no reason or excuse to be rude.

No one is carrying anybody. Stop using it as a scapegoat, to be rude to someone on the forums.


why do people like the buzzword "carry"? kinda sound immature imo.

[Adire]

Or maybe you should look in a mirror to how you come off?

It is kinda rude, The things he listed can happen at any moment with no control, telling people to leave like you are is pretty rude. And you really have no reason or excuse to be rude.

No one is carrying anybody. Stop using it as a scapegoat, to be rude to someone on the forums.


why do people like the buzzword "carry"? kinda sound immature imo.

If calling out people for being lazy and forcing groups to cope with their unnecessary shortcomings is rude, then I'm proud to be rude. You have every right to get high and join a dungeon and be useless, or spend the entire dungeon autoattacking because you want to play with your cat, or whatever, just be ready to deal with the consequences. Part of being an adult is dealing with consequences and not contributing to your group's success may very well have them.

Really wish self discipline and self improvement were common values in society. It's pretty sad that people find apathy and laziness acceptable behavior in teamwork endeavors.

[Arrius]

Really wish self discipline and self improvement were common values in society. It's pretty sad that people find apathy and laziness acceptable behavior in teamwork endeavors.

Unless the NA/EU community improve their expectations and actually enforce them via (successful) Vote Kicks at places where underperforming is not acceptable, nothing will change on that level.
And everyone needs to pull their weight when it comes to this issue.

It already worked in a similar way in certain Warring Triad Ex trials.

[AnaviAnael]

why do people like the buzzword "carry"? kinda sound immature imo.

Carry is used often because it's applicable. The other day I did a Sohm Al hard where the AST used protect, we started the pull and they went AFK without a word. We wiped. They offered no explanations and it became pretty obvious they were only half paying attention during the entire run. Our PLD had to keep himself alive with Clemency. On the final boss, the AST didn't even bother with mechanics and dropped puddles right next to the boss. Our monk then couldn't hit his positionals.

A better example would be 24 man content. You and I are both on Aether, so I know you understand what I'm talking about. How often do tanks NOT grab adds, or not grab the boss if the MT dies? How often do DPS go on auto attack and miss stacking mechanics or meteors on Ozma?


I don't enter content so others can watch Netflix or YouTube. If a person wants to mess around on Facebook, they can do it after. When people say "carry" more often than not they're referring to the people like this who want their rewards while putting in no effort. How is that not carrying?

[Ama_Hamada]

Or maybe you should look in a mirror to how you come off?

It is kinda rude, The things he listed can happen at any moment with no control, telling people to leave like you are is pretty rude. And you really have no reason or excuse to be rude.

No one is carrying anybody. Stop using it as a scapegoat, to be rude to someone on the forums.


why do people like the buzzword "carry"? kinda sound immature imo.

read my story, that is a good example of carrying. I had to put a lot of extra effort because somehow a pure 270 gear WHM with piety/ spell speed melds and a 275 relic could not fulfill basic functions of healing, putting a lot more weight on my shoulders, using cooldowns that is not intended (using dissipation for mp) just to make up for it.

If you see me use the word carry, there is a damn well good reason for it.

another simple example that is common in leveling DFs even past 50 ones, me doing the most dps as a healer...