Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Zanfire]

What I'm trying to get through here, is that the first group is well-served no matter the price of the game. It's not as though they would choose not to play if they had to play less for the service.

The second group may represent a substantial number of players who won't pay full price, but who would pay a lower price. The reasons for this may vary greatly, but they generally revolve around the current state of the game, and the feeling it's not ready for prime time. If a lower price can generate more income by retaining a lot more people than what you would get by charging full price, the first group suffers no ill effects. On the contrary, they will benefit in the savings and participate in more active servers as a result.

It therefore seems illogical that the first group would want to fight the notion of the second group since they are not harmed in any way, no matter the results of the inquiry.

its confusing as hell right? why would you be against it at all, unless your some pride stricken fan boy?

[whoopeeragon]

Hence why I said for people to find an agreeable, justifiable means to their answers. Some from the first group are just tired of seeing insignificant whining over what could well be a compromised issue. Instead, I find disparaging remarks, insulting comments, mindless complaints and lack of a definite reason from some if the second group. Admittedly, some approach those problems with not the best arms, but there is an ethical side of things of which the second group is equally guilty of, if not more.

Truly though, some members of the first group would also consider the lasting effects of such a compromise. Would it slow down development, or limit the value of the game as they know it? Would such an outcry last well-past it's used by date with the new version, with a vast majority of players unwilling to give up their compromised price, and finding more insignificant reasons for such? The first grpup is equally logical in this aspect, if seen through another perspective.

[whoopeeragon]

its confusing as hell right? why would you be against it at all, unless your some pride stricken fan boy?

And this is a great example of a post with no merit. Dear sir, I believe we are all human. Are we that we restricted that we cannot have differing opinions without derogatory labellings?

[TheVedis]

its confusing as hell right? why would you be against it at all, unless your some pride stricken fan boy?

actualy, its called people with common sense

lets face it, who WOULDNT want to pay less for something

i got to mcdonalds, would i rather pay 1 dollar or 2 dollars for a large fry

when i play an mmo, would i rather pay 5 dollars or 12 dollars for it


the facts are simple, EVERYONE would rather pay less for something when given the option


but common sense prevails and tell you that just because people want to pay less doesnt mean they should be able to pay less


this entire debate is moreso all based around this arguement, people want to pay less and they will give every reason they can think of to do so cuz at the end of the day they are probably gonna pay anyway, but to pay less would be better

[AmyRae]

Hence why I said for people to find an agreeable, justifiable means to their answers. Some from the first group are just tired of seeing insignificant whining over what could well be a compromised issue. Instead, I find disparaging remarks, insulting comments, mindless complaints and lack of a definite reason from some if the second group. Admittedly, some approach those problems with not the best arms, but there is an ethical side of things of which the second group is equally guilty of, if not more.

Well, I for one fully support the full price subscription for 2.0 if it's as complete as advertised, and I'm confident it will be. I don't think offering a discount now would negatively impact a price increase for the finished version. If anything, if you've developed your character over the course of the year leading up to 2.0, you'd be even more attached to the game and less likely to quit over something like that (which you knew was coming). Even the title of this thread acknowledges paying full price for 2.0.

It's just that the current version is not at a competitive level, and I don't believe it ever will be until the time comes for the PS3 launch. If you do stick around, it's in anticipation of better times, not what's available now. It may not be the opinion of some, but I think there are enough who feel that way that a discount would make a significant difference to SE's bottom line.

[charliesheen]

I think it is pretty simple. A lot of people don't want to pay full price for a product that is incomplete. True enough, the game is much much better than it was 12 months ago, but on the other hand it still isn't great. It still feels like half a game in lots of places.

The old argument "when is an MMORPG ever complete?" does not apply here. We are talking about having a content rich game that works fluidly. FFXIV even now cannot claim to be such a game. Until that changes, they can't really justify charging full subscription fees. If cost is such a big factor, I'd rather they just closed the servers and worked solely on 2.0 for now. Even with full subscription fees, it's unlikely that the profits made would be enough to satisfy the boardroom at SE. So why even bother?

[ninesunz]

they see me trollin', they hatin'

here you go bud

[Starlord]

I think it is pretty simple. A lot of people don't want to pay full price for a product that is incomplete. True enough, the game is much much better than it was 12 months ago, but on the other hand it still isn't great. It still feels like half a game in lots of places.

The old argument "when is an MMORPG ever complete?" does not apply here. We are talking about having a content rich game that works fluidly. FFXIV even now cannot claim to be such a game. Until that changes, they can't really justify charging full subscription fees. If cost is such a big factor, I'd rather they just closed the servers and worked solely on 2.0 for now. Even with full subscription fees, it's unlikely that the profits made would be enough to satisfy the boardroom at SE. So why even bother?

and thats exactly why Yoshi-P Stated this:

However, these two things will be going into 1.20, so we would like players to experience 1.19 and the things that we've changed up until then. These things that are still lacking are going to be covered in 1.20, and our hope is to have the players play and see the direction the game is moving in, the improvements that we have made. There's also the fact that over the next year we will be releasing the Seventh Umbral Era content, which can only be played during this year. This type of content (which can only be experienced before the release of 2.0 as a year-long event) -- this is pretty much the first time that it's been done in this industry. With all of this coming ahead, players can make the decision at 1.20 to decide whether to pay or not.

If at that time you're still having some doubts, players can wait until 1.21, when we add the job system, or wait until 1.22 and make the decision after hearing what the player reactions are for those. What we really want is for each player to have the decision be in his or her own hands.

And as you also know, being a title that is so large, we have costs. It's been a year for free-play for a lot of players, and during that time we've continued development with a very large team -- 250 people -- and we've continued running the servers. We put a lot of resources into this. So it was my decision that after releasing 1.20 we'd have the players decide whether or not they also want to make the commitment of paying.

Another words, if you or anyone else doesn't feel like the game is up to your standards, to just check back at a later patch from users within the game ( as they will obviously post Youtube vids on about it).

Edit: Also, this means that they are going to pull all the stops in 1.20 to make this " Complete game" for people that call it "Incomplete"

[stoned]

If its not about the finances, (already not profiting,company not in peril, planned for 2.0)
And not about the PR (already bad, and planned for 2.0)
And not about the user base (already not high enough for profitability, when it is free)

Then why lower the price?

u posted that we ignore their financial issue.
you posted charging 50% would be bad pr.
and the user base is for the ingame envirment if u lose 50% of the players that play now {you and every1 else will be effected by it].


if i sell a service and my installer screws up. the installer goes and fixes for free or other wise he gets fired. now if i have to pay a new instaler to go fix it i dont charge my costomer again for the install that is on me for having idiots do my work. now lets say this job is gona take a year to fix. how can i tell these people to pay me my monthly service fee for a service that wont be corected till a year later? answere is i dont i do the job first get payed after. and if i mess up i take care of it. that is the american way, the way of the people SE wants to play their game. you dont ignore peoples beliefs and what their acustome to, and espect them to want to keep your service.

i payed for my installion of ffxiv when i payed 80 bucks day it hit the shelfs.
they screwed the game up not me.
they fired their first intallers, they shoulda have done it right to begin with. or fixed it for free to make up for their screw up and keep their job. instead one of them gets promoted, and made 4.5 million this year. but this company is having financial issues and needs help to pay for the new tinstallers right?

They hire new installers and these guys seem legit, like they know what their doin. like they accualy played a game beside ffxi. should we pay for their install again? no good thing SE knows this and is not trying to.

now these people were brought in to fix the original install that should have been right to begin with. now for 1 year should we have to pay for the sub of this service of a product that is not gona be right for another year, if its even done by then?

now here is where the whole debate comes in. you got the costomers opinion that it is not right. your got the installers saying its 50% done. you got other customers complaining for absolutly no reason what so ever, besides wanting to run the mouth, about how they think the job is done good enough, to start collecting for a product that is not complete.

some peeps dont think we should pay till its complete.
others think we should pay half.
other think we should pay what they want and just stfu cuzz only their opinion matters and every1 elses is invaled.
other think we should pay just to show soport, the only good argument made.

i personaly think if SE wants to keep their fanbase happy they will do the right thing and fix their screw up.
this is the main thing you fanboys are ignoring. no1 is tryin to stop you from playing or effect your gameplay 1 bit what so ever. we just want them to know how we feel, and you want them to know how you feel. but only difference is your opinion makes no difference cuzz this debate would not effect how you feel 1 bit what so ever.

So in the end its just bait bein thrown everywhere and you got both sides trolling and flaming breaking up the comunnitee. gj SE i hope you see what you have done. hope you man up and fix your screw up. and put a end to this cuzz it can only end 2 ways. u make peeps mad and they quit, and continue to give bad reviews. or you keep floating like you have all year, instilling hope that the game will be fixed one day.

now when ps3 realease im sure there will be alot of peeps buying it. peeps who dont have pcs and have been waiting. think of all those people who will be reading the bad rewiews this game has got, and will get after another blunder. do you think it will help with those sales and help improve the games popluation? this is oviously a issue 45 pages and 15 different threads says its a issue.

[stoned]

I think it is pretty simple. A lot of people don't want to pay full price for a product that is incomplete. True enough, the game is much much better than it was 12 months ago, but on the other hand it still isn't great. It still feels like half a game in lots of places.

The old argument "when is an MMORPG ever complete?" does not apply here. We are talking about having a content rich game that works fluidly. FFXIV even now cannot claim to be such a game. Until that changes, they can't really justify charging full subscription fees. If cost is such a big factor, I'd rather they just closed the servers and worked solely on 2.0 for now. Even with full subscription fees, it's unlikely that the profits made would be enough to satisfy the boardroom at SE. So why even bother?

agree with you all the way. wish they would shut it down and fix it or keep it free beta test till they fix it. but 1 thing is clear its not complete and nowhere near it.