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    Anonymoose's Avatar
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    A Needless Indulgence, or a Lost Opportunity? (Devs?)

    EDIT: TL;DR Version / Main-Idea for those who pick on semantics instead of core ideas.

    Will the content of Eorzea 1.0 be following the trend of being easier for the middle/upper-middle classes to achieve as time goes on BEFORE 2.0 erases the ability to do so, or will the content added to challenge the calls of the "hardcore" (God, I hate those terms), which I have no grudge against by that merit itself, maintain that difficulty or even, like the Darkhold, have difficulty scaled upwards with content?


    So, I've been stewing a bit since last night's thread posting of Petyr visiting Rabanastre (incidentally now locked due to douchebaggery) and I keep coming back to a thought I once planned to avoid bringing up.

    We've been told that when 2.0 hits, that many items and achievements
    will disappear from the game entirely. Will the content currently renowned
    for being difficult be any easier to accomplish for the rest of
    the community before Eorzea goes up in flames?


    At first, I was just going to let this go. I had fun conquering the Darkhold, but then 1.19 hit and I logged in, took a good hard look at my now ENTIRELY worthless hard-earned wardrobe of not-materia and decided - "Ehhhh, f**k it."

    I know Yoshida-san said that he wanted to respect both the "custom gear for the best stats" and "stay balanced and average with Rare-ex" playstyles - but that's not how the Final Fantasy Online community works. Sure, you have options - but if you don't pick the best option, it's "GTFO, gimpy."

    • So, no. I don't really feel like "making like the elites" and buying an entirely new wardrobe just to get an invite to Ifrit.
    • So, no. I don't really feel like grinding (read: having my linkshell PL me) to 36 GLA just to not get kicked from said Ifrit party for not having the most optimal Get Out of Hellfire Free Card.
    • So, no. I don't share the "WAAAAHHHH, GIVE US HARDER CONTENT." sentiment.

    But after reading all the douchebaggery last night, I can't help but ask myself, "Why are we letting these people dictate the terms of content?" What about ... everyone else? We ever gonna get a crack at this?

    I understand if the answer is no. I'll take the loss. I won't even step into an Ifrit battlefield if that's the cost - but I consider that a disappointing development choice. Not everyone's here to drag their eight 50 battle classes in and work out the perfect storm.

    My beef here is that if Materia is the gateway to greatness (and remember, if it's not optimum, it's GTFO) why is the content for Rare/Ex gear scaled SO HARD towards the elitists that created that atmosphere in the first place? So those who are actually okay using not-optimum-but-still-pretty-good gear can stand around watching them AFK with it purely for e-peen?

    I just dun' get you people.
    /QQ
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    Last edited by Anonymoose; 10-25-2011 at 10:52 PM.
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    I don't get what you're talking about. I'm part of three very laid-back linkshells. We have loads of fun trying to beat Ifrit and Darkhold. We're not elitists at all. Find a community that fits you. Have fun. Done.
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    Seirra_Lanzce's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Answa View Post
    I don't get what you're talking about. I'm part of three very laid-back linkshells. We have loads of fun trying to beat Ifrit and Darkhold. We're not elitists at all. Find a community that fits you. Have fun. Done.
    ^^This will probably solve you're problems anyway. <_<" dont judge like every community LS is an elitist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Answa View Post
    I don't get what you're talking about. I'm part of three very laid-back linkshells. We have loads of fun trying to beat Ifrit and Darkhold. We're not elitists at all. Find a community that fits you. Have fun. Done.
    ^ this. I'm also part of a pretty laid back shell, and we are always having a crack at ifrit or the darkhold. We are redoing darkhold these days for the fun of it really.
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    OP clearly has no idea how mmo communities work it seems.

    You've told us what you don't wanna do. Well, that's great. So what do you want to do? Just play the game how you would like it to be? Games have rules. They have good-better-best models for encounters/boss fights. They have people who wanna win easy and consistently, not just one time by the skin of their teeth.

    Some content just needs to be hard, even if just for a little while. You'll get to enjoy that content when either you decide to do what you feel needs to be done to take a shot at it or it gets nerfed to just fit what you've got right then.
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    I lost the OP point of view ._.
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    What is the Night of the marauding casuals?

    -Take away any useful ability that I personally don't have like Sentinel.
    -Make everything so easy that "I personally" can beat it with ease and don't have to feel jealous of others any more.

    What is with these self appointed casual elitists dictating to everyone else how they should be able to enjoy the game they paid for? Why don't you just play a single player game and then you can set all the house rules you want to restrict yourself?
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    Last edited by Murugan; 10-25-2011 at 05:42 PM.

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    I think you have the wrong idea about needing wtf amazing gear there is no one set you must have to be awesome. Materia makes it easier especially since your first attach is 100% success. Get your normal gear set and just put a piece on each no need to try and go over board. You don't need sent or amazing gear for ifrit you just need to know when to run, we killed him with people dead the whole fight cant get much worse geared than a dead guy. And as far as last nights failed attempt at a troll just ignore it as far as I know only people on Rabanastre have to put up with that kind of stuff. Don't think all high end content focused shells are like that cause they aren't.
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    The greatest gear in all of Eorzea will not save you from Ifrit if you don't know how to fight him - and if you know how to fight him, then you can beat him even if you go naked (except for the tank I guess :P). The only difference gear makes in this fight is how fast you can beat him.

    If you're getting kicked from Ifrit parties because you're wearing darkhold gear, then you probably don't want to be in that party anyway, as they obviously have no clue about the fight and will probably just wipe. And if it was a LS party, time to find a new one.

    heck, one of the LNC in my LS party tonight was wearing kokoroon mail still, that didn't suddenly make him worthless or made us unable to beat Ifrit.
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    It's kind of ironic that in order to beat ifrit you have to have better gear than what he drops.
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