Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Answa]

i only troll the fanboys trolling others or tryin to troll me. get it straight b4 you post about me, unless you want to join them. i have made my crys loud and clear the rest of the trolling is soly for entertainment. but its good to see you have no opinon but yets had to make a post about nothing. and complain about other doing the same.

He actually said his opinion in the post while expressing everyone else's. He put everything on the table from both sides, so I disagree with you that he made a post about nothing.

The reason why I'm against paying 50%, or any sort of discount, is because it would be SE stating that their product is inferior. Please hear me out before jumping right into reply. The product may be inferior in many people's eyes. The product may be inferior, period. But the company saying it (again, I might add), would only hurt the game more. Secondly, as many people have said and I agree completely, if they charge a discounted price, we will definitely be seeing threads like this again when 2.0 comes rolling in and they announce they'll be charging full price.

Now, and this is my opinion, which I said a couple of pages back but with apparent hostility, I believe the game, as it is now, has more than enough content so that, if we had not been playing it for free for a year, and if it was released as it is, very few people would be against the game, against paying, against anything. The one thing I have against the game right now (all things considered) is how quickly you can level up now.

These are human beings doing the coding, they've made mistakes, and they'll make mistakes. But they've been working very hard to correct those past mistakes and it shows. The UI can only be bandaged superficially but not cured. Though I definitely don't share the same frustrations most people do with it other than the delay while I'm trying to sell 50% of my inventory. Regardless, all of this, we're hoping, will be fixed in 2.0. Until then, we're going to have a changing world, and we'll have a head start over all the people who'll be coming in 2013. Personally, I'm going to keep a few classes at level 1 just so I can level up and teach either strangers or my friends whom I'll convince to start playing.

This, for me, isn't about being a fanboy. It's a question of enjoyment and mindset. If you let every single tiny thing annoy you, then you'll never be satisfied.

[Starlord]

the game is complete when i get 100% final fantasy feel then. your argument is beating a dead horse with no backbone.

That's why I said 1.21 is 100%. but since you say my " opinion" not argument because i'm through with arguing its pointless and idiotic, has no backbone. I'm just going to leave it at that. I said what I had to say.

[Alerith]

Oh please, if any person on this board can honestly say that this game, even after 1.20 will be complete... or even CLOSE to complete, they clearly do not understand how MMO's work. The game is getting there slowly but surely, but it is far, FAR from complete or polished.

Anyone who thinks an MMO is ever complete clearly does not understand how MMO's work.

In patch 1.20, FFXIV v1.0 will be in a functional, launch worthy status.

[stoned]

Oh please, if any person on this board can honestly say that this game, even after 1.20 will be complete... or even CLOSE to complete, they clearly do not understand how MMO's work. The game is getting there slowly but surely, but it is far, FAR from complete or polished.

thats is the issue. most of the peeps who argu the point only played ffxi. and dont know what good mmos have to offer. they are used to invisable walls and bein grounded to the ground. taking 20-30 mins to set up a group or just in general wasting all kinds of time on stuff that should be simple and easy to do. like using and making macros.

[stoned]

Anyone who thinks an MMO is ever complete clearly does not understand how MMO's work.

In patch 1.20, FFXIV v1.0 will be in a functional, launch worthy status.

a mmo is complete when it has the basics to all mmos. now a mmo will never end but that is a different debate.

launch ready missing half of the basics of any mmo, seriously? that is why mmos flop,

[Alerith]

a mmo is complete when it has the basics to all mmos. now a mmo will never end but that is a different debate.

To say that an MMO is complete, even with basics, isn't accurate either. New features can always be implemented, new storylines introduced and new mechanics added.

And so far, the "basics" of an MMO vary from player to player. Most agree that an Auction House is basic while groups still disagree about if jumping is a basic feature. How many classes are basic for an MMO? How many starting areas or side towns?

All these come down to personal opinion, and can't really be used to judge if an MMO is "complete".

[Starlord]

a mmo is complete when it has the basics to all mmos. now a mmo will never end but that is a different debate.

The new server system is already up and running on internal development equipment, and we are in the process of finalizing general
search features, the party system, the friend system, and more. At the current pace, we hope to have all basic system features
completed by February 2012.

Which is 1.21 btw as my opinion states of it begin complete ( to me)

[stoned]

He actually said his opinion in the post while expressing everyone else's. He put everything on the table from both sides, so I disagree with you that he made a post about nothing.

The reason why I'm against paying 50%, or any sort of discount, is because it would be SE stating that their product is inferior. Please hear me out before jumping right into reply. The product may be inferior in many people's eyes. The product may be inferior, period. But the company saying it (again, I might add), would only hurt the game more. Secondly, as many people have said and I agree completely, if they charge a discounted price, we will definitely be seeing threads like this again when 2.0 comes rolling in and they announce they'll be charging full price.

Now, and this is my opinion, which I said a couple of pages back but with apparent hostility, I believe the game, as it is now, has more than enough content so that, if we had not been playing it for free for a year, and if it was released as it is, very few people would be against the game, against paying, against anything. The one thing I have against the game right now (all things considered) is how quickly you can level up now.

These are human beings doing the coding, they've made mistakes, and they'll make mistakes. But they've been working very hard to correct those past mistakes and it shows. The UI can only be bandaged superficially but not cured. Though I definitely don't share the same frustrations most people do with it other than the delay while I'm trying to sell 50% of my inventory. Regardless, all of this, we're hoping, will be fixed in 2.0. Until then, we're going to have a changing world, and we'll have a head start over all the people who'll be coming in 2013. Personally, I'm going to keep a few classes at level 1 just so I can level up and teach either strangers or my friends whom I'll convince to start playing.

This, for me, isn't about being a fanboy. It's a question of enjoyment and mindset. If you let every single tiny thing annoy you, then you'll never be satisfied.

he sayed he was in the grey undecided, but leaning more towards 1 group. thats what i meant bout "nothing" i wasnt debating his opinion he just dont have 1. and in the end he post was for nothing more than to troll and he named me specificaly in his post so ide say he just wants me to troll him.

[Answa]

he sayed he was in the grey undecided, but leaning more towards 1 group. thats what i meant bout "nothing" i wasnt debating his opinion he just dont have 1. and in the end he post was for nothing more than to troll and he named me specificaly in his post so ide say he just wants me to troll him.

In my experience, sitting in a gray area is not not having an opinion, it's seeing too many variables to be able to make a definite answer for something. You've done very little but troll in this thread and in his post he simply mentioned you as one of the people who is just trolling and adding very little to the conversation. I saw no wish from him to be trolled.

[stoned]

Which is 1.21 btw as my opinion states of it begin complete ( to me)

i understand thats your opinion, you can stop stating that at end of every post.

basic SYSTEM features is key word there. i feel that it will still be missing the basics to many mmos. not system features but game issues,missing content,and oh the accualy content that will be here when the games is accualy launched on the {new server, that wont be added in 1.21}, the game will run the way it does till that point. the basics of any p2p mmo is that their servers are not crap. f2p server are crap thats why they are free. ive seen f2p game with better servers than this. that is why it is not complete. there is alot more i could go into detail but im not gona make another long post on that people just ignore them anyhow just to argu a point that dont matter.