Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[Ama_Hamada]

well i get to use a recent party as an example to clarify what she goes through:

ya , G/f just got /votekick outa a dungeon. She got the library normal in lvling R. The healer, an ast, puts aspected benefict on her which was the regen the second the barrier dropped. She turns it off they get protected and she goes to pull. The ast all of a sudden spams regen, thisconfuses my g/f but she assumes it was an accident, but to be sure she asked "umm why are you spamming regen". Healer claimed she turned off the day stance and regen didn't apply. (my g.f saw her regen count down restart 3 times)

My g/f pointed this out stating "but i saw my regen counter restart 3 times" again assuming this was an accident, (my g/f had a lvl 60 ast on an alt). And said that aspected bene was regen (not assuming ast didn't know) the AST then started to give a attitude, asking if it was a problem and my g/f said no issue, just trying to ask a question. Then asked the AST why they are having an attitude, AST claim my g/f was rude, which my g.f replied she wasn't trying to be rude, just asking a question out of confusion.

AST attitude was telling her to stfu, to drop it. And the AST was not healing her. My g/f was poping CD, but her hp hit 8% in the next pull. (she was avoiding aoes as well). to just pull as she was getting annoyed. (my g/f just asked her why they spammed regen and why was the ast giving her an attitude)

the last pull (my g/f was hesitant to pull after that.) She was asking why is it an issue to ask a question, that she assumed it was an accident, asking why is asking a question considered a crime (in no way did my g/f insult the healer, and tried to votekick the healer) on the doll/4 book pull the healer was spamming regen and doing spells to drain their mp. My g/f is watching her hp bar drop and was doing her best to use her CD. Most were used on the pull before because of the AST not curing my g/f.

So my g/f died and the AST blamed her, she ordered my g/f be kicked for purposely dying, ( my g/f was doing her best to stay alive using dark arts abysmal drain to self cure) She called my g/f a liar for not using cd, claiming to have been spam curing my g/f. (my g/.f doesn't die on purpose) And told her she wasn't cured. ( i watched she wasn't) the group kicked out my g/f.


now picture that happening roughly 3 times a day, 7 days a week for the few mnths. that pretty much the stuff my g/f deals with.

i feel bad for her but as said, lets pf sometime (that long post did not comment on that at all for some reason XD)

[Gemina]

She wasn't insulting the new player, she wasn't swearing, nor name calling. Yet they kept digging into her.

I've been reading your last several posts about your GF and the treatment she gets, and the only thing that has really remained consistent is the questions she is asking. It sounds like she questions every questionable action from her teammates. It is not a bad thing, but players are quick to believe they are being attacked when someone questions what they are doing.

If she's tanking, she is setting the pace of the run, and if she is indeed questioning players as much as your posts suggests, it is going to slow things down. If the actions of her teammates are negligible, it might be best for her to just let some things slide and speak up only if someone is a hindrance. Otherwise, the other players will deem that she is the one making the run longer than it needs to be.

From my experience, players are much more open to discussion and criticisms after multiple wipes. First wipe: Dust off and try again. 2nd wipe: "Everyone be sure to use their CDs, and healer focus on heals." 3rd wipe: "Ok guys, we need to stop for a min and make sure everyone is on the same page with mechanics." If no wipes are happening in the instances your GF is participating in, players will want less questions asked and just work towards the clear.

[Ama_Hamada]

I've been reading your last several posts about your GF and the treatment she gets, and the only thing that has really remained consistent is the questions she is asking. It sounds like she questions every questionable action from her teammates. It is not a bad thing, but players are quick to believe they are being attacked when someone questions what they are doing.

If she's tanking, she is setting the pace of the run, and if she is indeed questioning players as much as your posts suggests, it is going to slow things down. If the actions of her teammates are negligible, it might be best for her to just let some things slide and speak up only if someone is a hindrance. Otherwise, the other players will deem that she is the one making the run longer than it needs to be.

From my experience, players are much more open to discussion and criticisms after multiple wipes. First wipe: Dust off and try again. 2ndwipe: "Everyone be sure to use their CDs, and healer focus on heals." 3rd wipe: "Ok guys, we need to stop for a min and make sure everyone is on the same page with mechanics." If no wipes are happening in the instances your GF is participating in, players will want less questions asked and just work towards the clear.

You seen people stick around after 3 wipes? I am amazed, usually people rage quit that point.

spaming regen on a tank is a hindrance and worth speaking up on.

People need to be less thin skin and let new people ask questions, if it is common for people to act in the way you suggest.

anyways that is why i want to pf with them to see what is really going on and teach them weeping (if that is still necessary)

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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If you aren't at endgame yet you probably haven't seen it yet, but once people hit 60 content they are a lot less forgiving in regards to wipes. At most, I've seen people stick around for one, maybe two wipes if that. The only exception I can remember in the last several months was when I was running Weeping for light the other day. Tank and healer was new, and a couple of people were giving them grief after one wipe, at which point I told them to take five and spent the rest of the instance teaching the newbies mechanics for the last two bosses... which isn't easy midfight since the guy pulled the instant I told him to chill. Still wiped once or twice, but got through it easily enough.

[Rokke]

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Every comment he/she has made on this topic is that their girlfriend is innocent and every party she has ever been dismissed from is full of mean people. If she is deemed problematic enough to be kicked/"harassed" daily, something is wrong on her end more so than the community's.

[BigRed5392]

i feel bad for her but as said, lets pf sometime (that long post did not comment on that at all for some reason XD)

sorry, i had a reply there. I said sure Idm. I just took the oppritunity to clarify using a recent incident as to what goes on.

[BigRed5392]

Every comment he/she has made on this topic is that their girlfriend is innocent and every party she has ever been dismissed from is full of mean people. If she is deemed problematic enough to be kicked/"harassed" daily, something is wrong on her end more so than the community's.

how so? She pulls, tanks, uses her CD. When she asks questions its while she is tanking. Why so much assumption its my g/f with the problem? She only asks question if there is an issue. Again while tanking and is pretty fast. The community has pretty much proven they are assume a lot and are vindictive if they don't their way.

We never had issues on tonberry.

[BigRed5392]

I've been reading your last several posts about your GF and the treatment she gets, and the only thing that has really remained consistent is the questions she is asking. It sounds like she questions every questionable action from her teammates. It is not a bad thing, but players are quick to believe they are being attacked when someone questions what they are doing.

If she's tanking, she is setting the pace of the run, and if she is indeed questioning players as much as your posts suggests, it is going to slow things down. If the actions of her teammates are negligible, it might be best for her to just let some things slide and speak up only if someone is a hindrance. Otherwise, the other players will deem that she is the one making the run longer than it needs to be.

From my experience, players are much more open to discussion and criticisms after multiple wipes. First wipe: Dust off and try again. 2nd wipe: "Everyone be sure to use their CDs, and healer focus on heals." 3rd wipe: "Ok guys, we need to stop for a min and make sure everyone is on the same page with mechanics." If no wipes are happening in the instances your GF is participating in, players will want less questions asked and just work towards the clear.

Nope she only asks if it is a problem, she barely talks in runs unless she makes a mistake. The run she did the healer wasn't healing well, and she was seeing her hp drop but the healer running outa mp.

during the second pull the healer had 4% mp. When she did the doll/book pull my g/f didn't have cool downs (as she used them the pull before because the healer wasn't healing her.) The healer wasn't healing her that time as well and my g/f died. The healer blamed my g/f. :/


All i've been showing is my g/f doesn't do much but people take out their stress out on her. Act vindictive, and kick first. The healer in question was bad and impatient. No one but the healer spoke up.

I think a personal passer is a necessity that they are going to have to end up adding eventually. Demand for it is never going to go away. Frankly the tutorial systems in the game (mentor system and Hall of Novice) would benefit from some expansion too to help players master the more complicated aspects of their Job and of fights. Even if it was a case of showing what particular markers represent.

As for healing, honestly I dps as a healer cause I find it boring not to but I am not going to kick a healer unless they are actually letting people die. Frankly if a healer has so much down time that they are standing around for long periods it makes me question if the healing mechanics are sufficiently developed. Healing should be an alternate play style with a full time role, not a part time dps. If a player really wants to dps there are a lot of Jobs far more suited for the role and with actual interesting rotations rather than the godly boring rotations healers have.

they gave out the real reason. PC players already use parser, and an ingame one would make people reverse engineer it to improve the ACT one, which players would see the true state weights and algorithms which would break the game in the long run.


if you never played dcuo, i recommend it it has a basic parser system, community became worst imo with it.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Every comment he/she has made on this topic is that their girlfriend is innocent and every party she has ever been dismissed from is full of mean people. If she is deemed problematic enough to be kicked/"harassed" daily, something is wrong on her end more so than the community's.

True... I've been reading silently for a while, and at first I had a lot of sympathy, but the more he says, the more it seems "she nitpicked and people didn't like it." She would probably have better results just saying what she thinks is wrong instead of questioning them multiple times. Like the regen thing on tank before pulls. Lotsa healers don't realize it makes it a pain to establish aggro. Why not just say that instead of a very generic and easily misunderstood "Why you do this?"

It honestly just seems like there was lack of communication from both sides and she's blaming them for it, and they decide to just kick her instead of sorting it out lol. People forget that other players are not mind readers, so if something can be taken offensively, it will be.

[Rokke]

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Tanks are generally the last to be kicked in an instance because the group is all but guaranteed a 10-30+ minute wait for a new one, assuming they’re running content that is still relevant. People put up with a surprising amount in DF- its a rare event that people kick small pull tanks, zero dps healers, or even subpar dps. Unless something is very obviously wrong (blizzard wizard wrong, dropping meteors on the party multiple times wrong, purposely getting locked out wrong) most will slog through the duty with little more than the occasional sarcastic remark.

If your girlfriend, a tank, the hardest role to replace in a party, is getting kicked or fought with regularly in DF, something is amiss. If this occurs/has occurred DAILY (for months!) I am confident that this is on her.

True... I've been reading silently for a while, and at first I had a lot of sympathy, but the more he says, the more it seems "she nitpicked and people didn't like it." She would probably have better results just saying what she thinks is wrong instead of questioning them multiple times. Like the regen thing on tank before pulls. Lotsa healers don't realize it makes it a pain to establish aggro. Why not just say that instead of a very generic and easily misunderstood "Why you do this?"

It honestly just seems like there was lack of communication from both sides and she's blaming them for it, and they decide to just kick her instead of sorting it out lol. People forget that other players are not mind readers, so if something can be taken offensively, it will be.

For reals. I feel bad that she she as ASD/ADHD. I feel bad that she felt so bad about a run that she cried.
But it takes a set amount of people to accept a kick, and if she is kicked regularly than people regularly find her a big enough problem to warrant removal from the group.