Gods and Jobs

[Kinseykinz]

So umm, I've said this before...it was sort of an 'Ah ha' I had in the CNJ forums when we've had this debate and this is what I came up with: CNJ-BLM THM-WHM Here's what I based this on: Changing weapon=class or job change and 'requires xxx' skills

So the Devs have said that our Class (CNJ/THM) should be for solo play and versitility. But the jobs are designed for party play. I think the Class/job system will sorta work like this: If you are a CNJ with no class equipped you will have access to all your CNJ 'required' spells (i.e raise/cure/curaga). However, if you then equip your job (which is most likely done via a weapon) you will no longer be a CNJ but a BLM...therefore, your CNJ 'required' abilities you will no longer be able to cast (so no curaga or raise II/rebirth). However, you will have access to much more potent nukes and DD spells.

On the THM side: With only the THM class equipped (no job) you will have access to all your THM spells and be a DOT/DD/backup healer mage. However equip the WHM weapon and voila, you now have Curaga's, Raises, Erase (please for the love of God SE Erase) etc.

I think this makes the most sense, lorewise AND play wise...both mage classes can survive on their own AND add awesomesauce to party play.

[SilvertearRen]

I consider the Primals "False Gods", as they were brought into Hydaelyn by the event at Mor Dhona 15 years prior to current events. The airship crash in the opening CGI is what I'm talking about.

The Twelve are the real gods here.

[ellohwell]

I consider the Primals "False Gods", as they were brought into Hydaelyn by the event at Mor Dhona 15 years prior to current events. The airship crash in the opening CGI is what I'm talking about.

The Twelve are the real gods here.

You don't know for certain that the primals were brought into being by that event. They may have just been captured by the Garleans and released after the explosion, or perhaps they used the explosion of aether to gain corporeal form from beyond the void. There are many possibilities.

Also, the Twelve may be considered as "Real gods" by the people in Eorzea, but they may not actually be real, and even if they were, they could still be as false as the Primals.

[Echo]

Thaumaturge is a class which deals with death and LIFE. Whitemage makes sense as a subset or specialisation of THM which deals with the LIFE component of Thaumatury, allowing for the possibility of another job to come along in the future which specialises in the death component.

It's easier to reshuffle abilities than to restructure the entire lore of the game which is what people want when they say WHM should belong to CON.

I guess it could go both ways, but THM is the most obvious ancestor to WHM.

Close to what I'm thinking. People should stop jumping to conclusions and realize it's entirely possible many jobs will not be direct counterparts of certain current classes.

For example, Black Mage could take the offensive and debuffing powers of both CNJ and THM, ending up with both elemental and umbral abilities and skills such as poison, slow, etc but lacking buffs or any healing ability aside from Drain. White Mage could take the healing and buffing powers of both CNJ and THM but lack any serious offensive abilities besides Banish and Dia. There will likely be some overlap of abilities where mutually useful skills come into play (such as Chainspell or Siphon MP.) Skills such as Sacrifice could be removed or reworked into merely being a new short duration healing spell Regen.

[Rorix]

In my opinion, THM will be Black Mage and CON will be White Mage and form what I've read Ifrit is not a god, he's just a creature from a nother plane, I believe.

[WiiSam]

Level both. The abilities are handy.

The point is we don't want to level both though. When jobs come out those handy skills won't be handy anymore because of greater restrictions on cross skills when Jobs come out. I, for one, can't wait for just that. I am a casual player with only 1 rank 50, and it sucks that I am completely inferior to everyone who has multiple 50's. Sucks a lot!

[ellohwell]

I guess they should just make both classes have access to both jobs.

So a CON can be either a WHM or BLM and a THM can be either one also. BLM and WHM are basically just builds which optimise one's ability in either damage or support respectively, and both THM and CON have the basis for either role.

Of course SE will do the 1-to-1 thing because that's just the way they do things.

But im saying it would make sense if CON and THM could each have access to both.

At the moment, either CON and THM can be a healer, it's all about which abilities you want to set for the required role. So when jobs come out, they should allow both CON and THM continue this practice, but what matters of course will be which JOB they set.

[Wynn]

I guess they should just make both classes have access to both jobs.

So a CON can be either a WHM or BLM and a THM can be either one also. BLM and WHM are basically just builds which optimise one's ability in either damage or support respectively, and both THM and CON have the basis for either role.

Of course SE will do the 1-to-1 thing because that's just the way they do things.

But im saying it would make sense if CON and THM could each have access to both.

At the moment, either CON and THM can be a healer, it's all about which abilities you want to set for the required role. So when jobs come out, they should allow both CON and THM continue this practice, but what matters of course will be which JOB they set.

I think I would prefer a dedicated BLM class, regardless of which one gets it. I hate being forced into the healer role when I can't stand playing that function.

[Tonkra]

I guess they should just make both classes have access to both jobs.

So a CON can be either a WHM or BLM and a THM can be either one also. BLM and WHM are basically just builds which optimise one's ability in either damage or support respectively, and both THM and CON have the basis for either role.

Of course SE will do the 1-to-1 thing because that's just the way they do things.

But im saying it would make sense if CON and THM could each have access to both.

At the moment, either CON and THM can be a healer, it's all about which abilities you want to set for the required role. So when jobs come out, they should allow both CON and THM continue this practice, but what matters of course will be which JOB they set.

i think it will be like are pressing the classes into the typical "WHM, BLM" roles. (but for what the jobs whm/blm now?):

CON: WHM (Curega, Protect, Shell, Banish, Dia)
THM: BLM (Scourge,Poison, Darkness spell, Debuffs)

I think spells like Dia, Banish, Paralyze will be switched to Conjurer
and spells like sleep, fire etc. will switched over to THM

although i think its a smash into the faces of all people who are playing conjurer for elemental damage spells etc..


i still cant believe this massive role change. but they'll do it.

[Answa]

So umm, I've said this before...it was sort of an 'Ah ha' I had in the CNJ forums when we've had this debate and this is what I came up with: CNJ-BLM THM-WHM Here's what I based this on: Changing weapon=class or job change and 'requires xxx' skills

So the Devs have said that our Class (CNJ/THM) should be for solo play and versitility. But the jobs are designed for party play. I think the Class/job system will sorta work like this: If you are a CNJ with no class equipped you will have access to all your CNJ 'required' spells (i.e raise/cure/curaga). However, if you then equip your job (which is most likely done via a weapon) you will no longer be a CNJ but a BLM...therefore, your CNJ 'required' abilities you will no longer be able to cast (so no curaga or raise II/rebirth). However, you will have access to much more potent nukes and DD spells.

On the THM side: With only the THM class equipped (no job) you will have access to all your THM spells and be a DOT/DD/backup healer mage. However equip the WHM weapon and voila, you now have Curaga's, Raises, Erase (please for the love of God SE Erase) etc.

I think this makes the most sense, lorewise AND play wise...both mage classes can survive on their own AND add awesomesauce to party play.

No, no, no. You'll have all your CNJ abilities, because you'll be CNJ, still. However, we're getting class revisions on 1.20, so we might not even KEEP those Cure spells. But, you're basically going to be CNJ/BLM or CNJ/WHM, whatever the case. You WILL, however, be limited to your class spells, according to Yoshi's Massively interview.