Gods and Jobs

[Fear]

How the hell is THM, a class that deals with haunting and sacrificing their own life to heal others look to be a WHM?

CNJ has Cures, Raise, Curaga, Protect, Shell = ALL WHM
THM Has Sacrifice (halming them selves), Resurect (death magic) = BLM & Dark Knight (for its emo-ness)

Its obvious....

[Inaaca]

How the hell is THM, a class that deals with haunting and sacrificing their own life to heal others look to be a WHM?

CNJ has Cures, Raise, Curaga, Protect, Shell = ALL WHM
THM Has Sacrifice (halming them selves), Resurect (death magic) = BLM & Dark Knight (for its emo-ness)

Its obvious....

To reiterate, current skillsets are a poor argument because they're all getting shuffled around and changed come 1.20 anyways. Lore is already well established, so it's a more concrete foundation to base theories on.

Even with that said, going the skill route, BLM has always been defined by its elemental magics (all of which CON posesses) rather than "dark" magics. Skills are unclear in regards to job definitions right now, which is why it'll be clearer once 1.20 rolls around.

[Stjevne]

You're all wrong. CNJ is going to get both BLM and WHM. THMs will cease to exist.



but no, seriously. CNJ is getting BLM. BLM's aren't evil, you're reading too much into their names. THM doesn't fit BLM by any other merit than it's "evil". It has access to astral magick like Banish and Dia, while CNJ has access to elemental magick such as Flare, Flood, Fire, Blizzard, etc.

Not to quote their current skill sets, as these will be shuffled, but BLM is an elementalist (Which is actually what they call CNJ in other languages). They aren't evil.

Oh, and yeah, they gave CNJ Curaga because they... you know... already had Cure. Sacrificega wouldn't quite work.

/end loosethreadrant.

[Dreamer]

Not to quote their current skill sets, as these will be shuffled, but BLM is an elementalist (Which is actually what they call CNJ in other languages). They aren't evil.

Oh, and yeah, they gave CNJ Curaga because they... you know... already had Cure. Sacrificega wouldn't quite work.

Patently wrong, and something I've seen pop up repeatedly in this thread. Black mages specialize in attack magic and debuffs. White mages have traditionally specialized in curative and defensive magicks. The only reason why black mages have seemed to be elementalists is because the primary forms of offensive magic in the series has usually been elemental, but there's also spells like poison and drains, which thaum also has which are also the domain of the black mage.

[Stjevne]

Patently wrong, and something I've seen pop up repeatedly in this thread. Black mages specialize in attack magic and debuffs. White mages have traditionally specialized in curative and defensive magicks. The only reason why black mages have seemed to be elementalists is because the primary forms of offensive magic in the series has usually been elemental, but there's also spells like poison and drains, which thaum also has which are also the domain of the black mage.

So are you saying that a white mage is more fitting of the term "elementalist"?

[SniperRifle]

Q1: CNJ is BLM. THM is WHM.

Q2: I am God. All 13 of them.

[Answa]

*goes to watch porn and totally ignores this thread*

[ellohwell]

Thaumaturge is a class which deals with death and LIFE. Whitemage makes sense as a subset or specialisation of THM which deals with the LIFE component of Thaumatury, allowing for the possibility of another job to come along in the future which specialises in the death component.

It's easier to reshuffle abilities than to restructure the entire lore of the game which is what people want when they say WHM should belong to CON.

I guess it could go both ways, but THM is the most obvious ancestor to WHM.

[Echo]

Thaumaturge is a class which deals with death and LIFE. Whitemage makes sense as a subset or specialisation of THM which deals with the LIFE component of Thaumatury, allowing for the possibility of another job to come along in the future which specialises in the death component.

It's easier to reshuffle abilities than to restructure the entire lore of the game which is what people want when they say WHM should belong to CON.

I guess it could go both ways, but THM is the most obvious ancestor to WHM.

Close to what I'm thinking. People should stop jumping to conclusions and realize it's entirely possible many jobs will not be direct counterparts of certain current classes.

For example, Black Mage could take the offensive and debuffing powers of both CNJ and THM, ending up with both elemental and umbral abilities and skills such as poison, slow, etc but lacking buffs or any healing ability aside from Drain. White Mage could take the healing and buffing powers of both CNJ and THM but lack any serious offensive abilities besides Banish and Dia. There will likely be some overlap of abilities where mutually useful skills come into play (such as Chainspell or Siphon MP.) Skills such as Sacrifice could be removed or reworked into merely being a new short duration healing spell Regen.

[Kinseykinz]

So umm, I've said this before...it was sort of an 'Ah ha' I had in the CNJ forums when we've had this debate and this is what I came up with: CNJ-BLM THM-WHM Here's what I based this on: Changing weapon=class or job change and 'requires xxx' skills

So the Devs have said that our Class (CNJ/THM) should be for solo play and versitility. But the jobs are designed for party play. I think the Class/job system will sorta work like this: If you are a CNJ with no class equipped you will have access to all your CNJ 'required' spells (i.e raise/cure/curaga). However, if you then equip your job (which is most likely done via a weapon) you will no longer be a CNJ but a BLM...therefore, your CNJ 'required' abilities you will no longer be able to cast (so no curaga or raise II/rebirth). However, you will have access to much more potent nukes and DD spells.

On the THM side: With only the THM class equipped (no job) you will have access to all your THM spells and be a DOT/DD/backup healer mage. However equip the WHM weapon and voila, you now have Curaga's, Raises, Erase (please for the love of God SE Erase) etc.

I think this makes the most sense, lorewise AND play wise...both mage classes can survive on their own AND add awesomesauce to party play.