PAX 2017 : Request the next new Job

[ADVSS]

Looking into Mystic Knight from past FF games what you say does make a lot of sense, tank does fit it better.

The main idea of my suggestion of making it a DPS was based on something from RUN in FFXI. Gambit, which lowered a monsters magic DEF based on the element of the runes you had up. And Lunge, which dealt magical damage based on the runes you had up. Combine the two and you could deal some really high damage to a mob. I then borrowed the RDM concept from here, FFXIV, and flipped it around so that instead of being a mage with powerful melee finishers it was now a melee with powerful magic finishers.

The knight theme was from my frustration at how poorly SE has done with PLD in this game. Non-kingdom origin and lore, almost no holy powers, boring and plot-hole filled pointless quest twice in a row, and the weakest tank since 1.0 to present, add that so far the only known tank overhauls are removing 2-3 of our actions and making them general "tank" skills so the other tanks don't need to level PLD anymore and I've pretty much reached my limit of putting up with being kicked in the dirt all the time. So I wanted to infuse this "melee-mage" with a bit of real "noble holy knight" for a change. So I kind of stuck the "Rune Fencer" name on it since it was the only FF name I knew that might work as a knight style melee-mage, and used things like Dragons Dogma to support the idea even more. Though I ended up being wrong. ^^;

The only way I see this working out for both of us is if "Mystic Knight" is tank using classic FF move sets like you want. And "Rune Knight" is a completely different job using the melee-mage move set I want. Though, we both know SE would never have enough time/man power to pull that off. xD Most likely outcome, if they do add a Mystic/Rune Knight, is the tank theme since we have enough DPS as is. All the same I still feel a bit better at least saying what I want, even if I'll never get it, then keeping quiet and just getting more and more frustrated about it.

Oh, and thank you for being civil, it's a bit rare on these forums. Good luck to the both of us, that we may both get what we want in some way or form. ^^

I actually agree a whole ton with you, especially why paladin has to burn bones of undead and raise the dead to kill it for holy powers, or kill other paladins in later quest, or have a job stone that devours every other one like the highlander series to be the one. Worst part is the locale and sultansworn type lore wouldve fit a non retconned m knight probably a lot easier, though my hopes now lie in 5.0 if thavnair becomes a focus point, which i hope it does.
I like your idea of seperating the two, i just think what will most likely happen is if they do look into it theyll probably merge both the ideas into a single complete job, as you stated, ill be rooting for either side, i love the base concept of the job and however they decide to implement it, ill be fine playing it

Another thing to note, it appears that they may have left out en-spells from redmage, which became its thing in 11 i believe, which at least leads me to hope they may in fact integrate it to another job. Well what i mean is that what weve seen en-spelling doesnt really look like it will be the rdm's focus, but we dont really know its skill set yet.
Great conversation about this idea!

[Mimilu]

Mimi's Top Six Most Wanted Jobs (In order of what I want the most):

1. Dancer (Healer or DPS)
2. Puppetmaster (DPS)
3. Juggler (DPS)
4. Necromancer (Healer or DPS)
5. Beastmaster (Tank or DPS)
6. Morpher (DPS)

General things I would like to see

• More Pet Jobs
• A Whip Wielding Job
• A Dual-Wielding Gun Job
• A Tank that isn't just the standard Meat Shield
• A Dark-themed Healer

[programcanaan]

Tank with a War Hammer

Blue Mage or something like that and use a Great Scythe

[Kewitt]

DANCER AS A DON'T Care do it right and I will switch my main.

[Ghastly]

Geomancer please! Would love to see a class that can summon trees, summon lava, and a class that finally cast earthquake :O

[shao32]

for tank im more up for a really cool theme class, like templar with lance and shield, or shogun with a diferent weapon, or please a judge.

meaby its me but i saw most of the ppl (bcs i dont check all) how ask for beast master tank are dps, like "we dont want this job soooo for tanks" bcs i dont see any coment asking for a beastmaster dps when the DPS comunity want everything be dps whit surprise me.

[ADVSS]

for tank im more up for a really cool theme class, like templar with lance and shield, or shogun with a diferent weapon, or please a judge.

meaby its me but i saw most of the ppl (bcs i dont check all) how ask for beast master tank are dps, like "we dont want this job soooo for tanks" bcs i dont see any coment asking for a beastmaster dps when the DPS comunity want everything be dps whit surprise me.

They want the tank queues without having to tank(see mah behemoth tanks the mobs i just crack em with a whip)

[Yin111]

I really doubt beast master can ever be tank. Their gimmick is to use pets, and to have a tank use a pet for defensive skills or for the pet to actualy be the tank is not a good idea. The only way that beast master can be a tank is that it does not use a pet, which goes away from what a beast master is.

[ADVSS]

I really doubt beast master can ever be tank. Their gimmick is to use pets, and to have a tank use a pet for defensive skills or for the pet to actualy be the tank is not a good idea. The only way that beast master can be a tank is that it does not use a pet, which goes away from what a beast master is.

I tried tanking with titan egi in potd with a non tank party, it wasnt so easy due to how pet actions and response time is. Im sure if they really wanted to tweak the ai, itd be possible, but itd also be the laziest tank job ever, with the pet doing its own actions with megaton multipliers and constant splash aoes to ensure it holds hate all of the time. Of course im not the greatest smn or sch by far, but i see where pet ai would need a massive overhaul to pull this off, let alone commanding the pull ahead of time and having it know to stop and aoe before it loses hate immediately contacting the mob and loose wingmen.

[EdwinLi]

I would love Tank Jobs to finally get something that is not a Sword user as a Tank because it feels like Warrior is only there to give players something not a Sword Job as Tank so they can continue making more Sword Jobs as Tanks and have players just say "Go Play Warrior then" as a excluse for not introducing new Tank Jobs that use a new type of weapon that is not a Sword.