Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[SenorPatty]

Oh holy hell... we didn't get through the dungeon a whopping 2 minutes faster...

Oh my god my... life... is... over... Seriously some of you need to get one...

If the party walked out of there, and you completed it... then its only your own BS you're stuck on... and whopping 2 minutes isn't going to kill you.

The end result is... did you complete it... or did the party get continuously wiped and fail... well if you walked out of there as a success... you win... game over...

No need to get caught up in the petty crap.

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

[Kit-Kat]

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

Because people can't get the point of the discussion. It's not about having slow dps, it's not about being impossible without healer's dps. Healer dps is NOT NEEDED. However, the way the game is designed, healers barely have to heal constantly, there are times that you don't have to heal at all, specially as SCH. So you're wasting time and potential on doing basically nothing while you could be contributing to the run as everyone else, ignoring part of your skill kit which is actually strong. Again, it's not about dps doing low dps, people need to learn to read and comprehend.

[Rita1989]

This is pretty much what I feel about the people in this thread. How bad is a DF run that you need a healer's dps to complete it? How slow is a DF run that you feel the need to have your healer dps? If you're in a run where the dps is already slicing through mobs like butter but still feel slow because your healer is not dpsing, blame your own impatience and not the healer.

Why should people be okay with mediocrity though its not just healers, DPS and Tanks are just as bad its just a terrible mentality to have to say we completed it so who cares if we spent an extra 10-15 minutes because half the party doesn't care enough to play properly.

[Zhamkyong]

If we were talking about Savage or Ex i would shut my mouth because i cant do it due circumstances and i dont know how it works in there, but here is what i believe in DF or any Raid that it's normal mode about healer or tanks: If they are both doing their job, i dont care if we get the job done about the dps they are making. If one healer is enough should the other one dps? Sure, i am not saying he should stay still watching the fight, same for the offtank if there are 2 of them. But in duty finder, roulette? No. Unless i go with friends, like someone said, i will act as the group needs and i expect the rest to do the same for the sake of the team. I rather see a duty completed than a group disbanded because someone wanted to rush things like he is entitled to everything because of his Ilevel gear.

Why should people be okay with mediocrity though its not just healers, DPS and Tanks are just as bad its just a terrible mentality to have to say we completed it so who cares if we spent an extra 10-15 minutes because half the party doesn't care enough to play properly.

For the same reason i could ask why should i play a normal dungeon like it was a raid or a Ex-Trial of some sort. Myself, as a healer, i will keep the team healed and dps when the opportunity arises. If someone else is healing i will want them to keep me healed, then proceed to dps if they are confident enough. If i play with random players i will try to keep with the team, i expect them to do the same for me and not someone blaming everyone but him/herself because of his/her impatience.

Why is not needing to DPS even an argument? You don't NEED to have 100% uptime heals, yet here we are

Not everyone plays the same way and even when they try harder the most mistakes they make. You can expect every healer to suit every need like they were clones.

[Greedalox]

Not everyone plays the same way and even when they try harder the most mistakes they make. You can expect every healer to suit every need like they were clones.

Having minimal expectations out of a community (This is a community btw, it's an MMORPG- It's okay to have expectations out of those you interact with) is not being a clone. Not DPSing isn't like dying your hair pink and going against the grain to be edgy and different. So if the best you have is "I PLAY HOW I WANT! I AM MY OWN PERSON" then please, Sweetie- realize that casting a couple DPS spells isn't the same as being 100% efficient with every cast all the time and it certainly doesn't pull away from your individuality.

[Zhamkyong]

"I PLAY HOW I WANT! I AM MY OWN PERSON"

I did not mean to give that impression actually. Dont missunderstand, i will give my 100% and i expect to everyone to do the same, dammit. But i dont know "you", i dont know every player out there and my playstyle demands to be player friendly, not to impart my way to play into others-NOT the "I DO WHAT I WANT", but the "I dont care if you dps fulltime or not if you keep the party healed and THEN do dps if you are confident enough."

Sorry, english is not my mother language.

[Greedalox]

Sorry, english is not my mother language.

Understandable!

i will give my 100% and i expect to everyone to do the same, dammit.

This is where my problem lies though. Many people in these Healer-DPS threads scattered across the Healer and General Discussion boards have straight up said they do it because they feel like relaxing- so they play a healer and don't DPS at all.

Playing at 80% for everyday stuff is no big deal to me, playing at 20% like so many openly admit to doing to be is terrible.

[Zhamkyong]

Understandable!

This is where my problem lies though. Many people in these Healer-DPS threads scattered across the Healer and General Discussion boards have straight up said they do it because they feel like relaxing- so they play a healer and don't DPS at all.

Playing at 80% for everyday stuff is no big deal to me, playing at 20% like so many openly admit to doing to be is terrible.

If i see a healer standing still while i do all the healing in some raids with the occasional "heal", yes, you are right in your words and i dont mean otherwise. Let me give you a quick example: I have a friend who played FFXIV and picked up BLM, my gf teached her the mechanics and was learning fast. It happened in a duty roulette where another player bashed her because of her skills and rotation (i dont know the details but as i said, she was learning) and at that point forward she stopped going with randoms out of fear.

At this day she doesnt play the game.

That's what i mean, if a healer is doing 20% or les then yes, he deserves to be kicked out. But if another healer is striving and yet gets bashed because he/she is not 'fulltime' due to lack of confidence or other things we are not aware about... That's what i meant. IF the healer keeps the party healed and it's not standing still 80% of the time yeah, i will get anoyed. Otherwise i will be patient and give a tip or two if i can.

But that is just me.

[BigRed5392]

Why should people be okay with mediocrity though its not just healers, DPS and Tanks are just as bad its just a terrible mentality to have to say we completed it so who cares if we spent an extra 10-15 minutes because half the party doesn't care enough to play properly.

except that isn't the case. I've had very fast runs with healers just healing. If you run takes 15-20min longer then YOU wanted, blame the dps. Tanks dps by default to tank, but no content was made with healer dps in mind. And it isn't playing mediocre, that would be healers letting tanks die, tanks not tanking, and dps eating aoes.

going above your role is welcomed, but shouldn't be expected or forced. Playing properly is tanks tanking, dps dpsing and healers healing. Going fast is just added bonus.

People like you kinda sound like elitist, and it does ruin the game for other, because of added stress. And making false claims to exasperate the situation doesn't help. And using insults makes you look immature.

I;m not saying you, but making in general using your comment as an example of poor sportsmanship.

[Greedalox]

People like you kinda sound like elitist

Elitistst (Read: I disagree with you)

Seriously though, drop of the hat usage of Elitist has practically made it a compliment at this point.