Dps As Healer

[Kathryn]

Well, If Yoshi said Healers are there to Heal there's only 1 solution they could do without changing any of the classes or removing anything and its to make monster hit EVERYONE hard so a healer is constantly healing to keep the party alive and cant even get the time to consider throwing in a debuff or damaging spell anywhere, The only problem is then is everyone will complain and cry "It's too hard waah waahh", Sadly the poor devs are stuck in a hard place with a bunch of ungrateful spoilt and self entitled players that they cannot win with any decision they make.

[Ilenya]

Well, If Yoshi said Healers are there to Heal there's only 1 solution they could do without changing any of the classes or removing anything and its to make monster hit EVERYONE hard so a healer is constantly healing to keep the party alive and cant even get the time to consider throwing in a debuff or damaging spell anywhere, The only problem is then is everyone will complain and cry "It's too hard waah waahh", Sadly the poor devs are stuck in a hard place with a bunch of ungrateful spoilt and self entitled players that they cannot win with any decision they make.

Is it wrong that I would like that sort of challenge? I don't think most healers would be upset if the outgoing damage was actually something dangerous.

[ShaneDawn]

well to be fair a healer is there to heal and keep u alive XD and no sarcastics comments are gona change that role XD
everything else is just an extra element.

To be honest , if u spend 5 min more in a dungeon or 5 min more AFK in Idylshire is not gona change that much in your precious life :P

True, Healing is the Main Job for a Healer, but the fights in this game par Savage are so ridiculously undertuned, that non-DPS healers will find themselves not doing anything for the majority of the runs.

We can concede to the fact, that DPS that can't do acceptable DPS is a bad DPS. A tank that only spams Flash to keep enmity is a bad tank. But the Healer party is the only one justifying standing around for extended periods of time as good play.

Maybe Healing as a whole should be made more intensive for Stormblood? That way healers would actually have to actively Heal instead of either being asked to DPS or being a dead weight 50% of the time by lazing around.

I'm not gonna initiate a vote kick against non-DPS healers, but I'm not gonna acknowledge actively sitting on our hands over several GCDs as a "good" way of playing for any class.

[Rubiss]

Well, If Yoshi said Healers are there to Heal there's only 1 solution they could do without changing any of the classes or removing anything and its to make monster hit EVERYONE hard so a healer is constantly healing to keep the party alive and cant even get the time to consider throwing in a debuff or damaging spell anywhere, The only problem is then is everyone will complain and cry "It's too hard waah waahh", Sadly the poor devs are stuck in a hard place with a bunch of ungrateful spoilt and self entitled players that they cannot win with any decision they make.

It's okay. We can leave the game as is. So broken and easy that you can drop tanks and healers and just DPS through mechanics with so little healing required that a fairy can do over 30% healing in the hardest current content. That way the healers who find it too hard to DPS can keep doing that and those who want to DPS things while healing, as intended, can do just that. Everyone wins.

[JunseiKei]

You are talking about the same person that decided that the solution for AST problems for this expansion was giving him so many buffs that people would take it instead of WHM. I don't trust his judgement on class balancing since this Q&A.

Coming from a community that wouldn't even give AST a chance until it was buffed to be as potent as a WHM. Not like the community can agree on something for even five seconds. I wonder if that's why the only suggestions Yoshida actually seems to entertain are silly things like glamour or mounts from the NA area?

The player-base is truly spoiled.

Still, all Yoshida said he really doesn't like cleric stance (probably doesn't actually have an issue with it, just what the player base has turned it into) and that healers are supposed to keep their party alive first. Then they can consider DPSing. He's making a comment how healers will sacrifice teammates for mistakes that were preventable, among other issues that do happen because "my healer DPS."

[Rubiss]

Coming from a community that wouldn't even give AST a chance until it was buffed to be as potent as a WHM. Not like the community cam agree on something for even five seconds. I wonder if that's why the only suggestions Yoshida actually seems to entertain are silly things like glamour or mounts from the NA area?

The player-base is truly spoiled.

Are you implying AST was anything but garbage until the buffs? Because what you had with an early AST was a crappier WHM with card buffs that did very little, took forever to draw and lasted barely any time or you'd have that plus a Scholar with weaker barriers and no fairy.

If you wanted a limited and gimped healer, AST was great in 3.0 and 3.1

[JunseiKei]

Are you implying AST was anything but garbage until the buffs? Because what you had with an early AST was a crappier WHM with card buffs that did very little, took forever to draw and lasted barely any time or you'd have that plus a Scholar with weaker barriers and no fairy.

If you wanted a limited and gimped healer, AST was great in 3.0 and 3.1

SE had to reduce the AST's skill curve just to get people to play it because it wasn't friendly to use to a large group of people. AST shone on players that were solid healers that knew what you were doing- anything less and it showed quite starkly.

Even after the first round of buffs, a startlingly large amount of people were still unwilling to bring ASTs into content, despite being just as good as a WHM even then and shielding better than a SCH even then. Then 3.4 came and the buffs were just overkill and finally people started to take them.

So no, it's not about wanting a gimped healer, just sadly anything different gets shot down by the community.

[Fernosaur]

Can I use this excuse to not keep BotD up? I'm having a bad day and it's just too much effort to manage all my oGCDs. What about defensive cooldowns? I just want to Fell Cleave for days and blowing Vengeance and Raw Intuition means more Fell Cleaves or Decimates.

Tbh I wouldn't give someone crap if they were having a bad or an off-day and behaved like this, specially in content as facerolly as anything you can do through DF. If someone was really stressed out by wtv thing and they didn't wanna play super optimal, that's fine by me. I mean, it might get annoying to have your DF expert run take some more minutes, but wtv. I do care more about a person's emotional stability than their lack of optimal play affecting my casual faceroll run.

If this was in a raid group doing endgame content, then yeah, I would maybe have a problem, because efficiency matters much more there. But then again, a raid group usually also involves companionship, so I'd, again, be more concerned about their emotional well-being instead of pushing them to stress themselves further. I would probably suggest a break in that situation, though, instead of letting them play sub-optimally, cause it could be a potential waste of other 7 people's time.

As an addendum: I personally go into DF as SCH to DPS the crap out of everything as a way to relief stress when I'm not feeling well, mostly because I can p much play the class with my eyes closed for most DF content. BUT I do know a lot of healers who get very, very anxious about DPSing. So long as they don't the defend the "healers shouldn't DPS!" ideology, I'm fine if they're having an off-day and don't want to feel pressured.

[alimdia]

So no, it's not about wanting a gimped healer, just sadly anything different gets shot down by the community.

I both agree and disagree with you.

Before the first round of buffs AST was just plain bad, there's no ifs or buts, it was inferior to both other healers and there was no reason to raid with it, after the first round of buffs AST became on par with the other healers, and here's where I agree with you that people went too stubborn, as usual people resist change, they saw WHM + SCH worked fine and saw no reason to replace either with AST, and it took until they pretty much broke AST in terms of support to finally be fully accepted.

[bardaboo]

Is it wrong that I would like that sort of challenge? I don't think most healers would be upset if the outgoing damage was actually something dangerous.

Most of the healers that aren't comfortable dpsing I've come across aren't / wouldn't be able to handle healing intensive fights. So unless you want to wipe 5 times a dungeon while a healer struggles to keep you alive (which ALREADY happens sometimes) sure.