Dps As Healer

[Ama_Hamada]

Was looking for it actually. Found it!

I actually wanted see the thread but this will do *watches*
can I have a link to where this was in a thread?

[DaikiKiyoshi]

So the godly dps matchign buttons every 1-2 seconds is less then a good player then one that hits one every 5 minutes?

Hyperbole really isn't a good way to argue your point.

[LunaFaye]

I've seen newer players at least trying. What I mean by that is, that some people are not comfortable with turning on cleric stance, in most cases nothing happens for a long time but the moment a healer turns on cleric stance, all hell breaks loose. Most players feel very overwhelmed when that happens and just panic, leading to wipes that could of been avoided if that person would have trusted their skills a bit more.

However, while leveling alts, I find lots of healers that are new to the game, and experiencing exactly what I just explained, but instead of just standing around and waiting for s... to hit the fan, they are dps'ing without the cleric stance. Not saying that's a great thing, but I rather have people throwing their dots, aero's, stone's I/II/III, whatever the astro skills are called, than just standing around doing nothing, and if that makes newer players more secure till they fully learned the fights then I am all for it.

One thing I can't and won't tolerate so, are veteran players, that can't even do that or refuse to just do that. If a new player can do it, than veterans should be more then willing to throw their "dps" abilities without cleric stance on some mobs. I do agree that the first priority of a healer is healing, but if there's nothing to heal then please do something instead of just standing around, no matter how good or bad the group dps and tank is.

If he would see what's going on in DF/PF/RF lately he would change his mind real quick and would agree. I am still keeping my hopes up that in 4.0 we have a better solution for cleric stance.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I actually wanted see the thread but this will do *watches*
can I have a link to where this was in a thread?

Oh, in that case: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ew-perspective.

[Keydah]

Healing has never been required. However, you've ALWAYS had ample time to do it, except maybe when you're all new to Ozma or an EX primal or something.

If you don't dps, you are contributing nothing for, in casual content, literally 50-70% of the instance. There's no reason to heal the tank when they're above ~70% health, they don't drop to that for like 20 seconds at a time, so why would you just stand there? That's not fun, you're not contributing anything except hitting a button every 20 seconds to keep someone alive, and you have completely ample time and ability to be doing something. Obviously we are there to heal, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do other stuff when there's absolutely no reason to be healing.

I'm all for healers having to heal a little more, but I thoroughly enjoy being able to dps here and there. I don't want to be a healbot. I get that some people do want to, and that's fine, but because you don't have to heal constantly in this game, you're doing nothing while everyone else in the party is hitting something every 2.5 seconds. It just doesn't work here. :\ I'd be happy if they amped up the healing enough that we still get to dps if we're good, but "omgz I'm just gonna heal cuz I'm a healurrr" people have to do something more frequently too.

Am I going to kick someone for it? No. Am I going to comment on it? Only if it's a sprout. But it's absolutely doing the bare minimum and that's rude to your party members. Tanks don't have to use cooldowns. Bards don't have to play MP songs when the healers are rezzing people left and right. But doing so makes you better at your job, because you're going above and beyond and there's really no reason for you not to do so except that you want to pay more attention to Netflix.

[Vorx]

Bourne_Endeavor
Likewise, my only requirement as a DPS is to deal damage.

I personally have gotten into a "war" with people over something like this, as a DPS style main myself i personally like Classes more since they are more like what a RDM will be, jack of all trade with the cross skills and all. As you said a DPS is just there to add damage, no set amount either, heck most runs could just be Tank and Healer, the two DPS are there for nothing but a bit of added damage nothing more nothing less.
I say if a Healer wants to attack for some DPS go for it, people need to remember the person playing that character can do whatever they want, THEY pay the sub, not you.

[alimdia]

Hyperbole really isn't a good way to argue your point.

Still a valid point, if your point is that no one dies = did a good job, then a monster dying 5 times slower should not be a problem, it still died and the DPS did his job.

[Ilenya]

For what it's worth, is there anywhere we can actually see this conversation being talked about?

[LunaFaye]

Bourne_Endeavor
Likewise, my only requirement as a DPS is to deal damage.

As you said a DPS is just there to add damage, no set amount either, the two DPS are there for nothing but a bit of added damage nothing more nothing less.
people need to remember the person playing that character can do whatever they want, THEY pay the sub, not you.

Ok which of these two is it? If a dps is required to deal dmg, that means there is an requirement and the phrase "I pay my sub and I can do what I want" doesn't apply here. If the dps just stands around and does nothing, the same phrase would apply here but omits the requirement. You can't have both, doesn't matter if you are playing dps, heals or tank. Therefore a healer can't just say I only heal, because if there's nothing to heal, means they are standing around and the sub statement as well as the role requirements don't apply here at all. There would be a other "rule" that applies then?

Also following that logic, we would need to remove all team supportive skills, going by that example none of them add to the actual requirement: dps!

Brd & Mch should refuse playing ballad or swapping their little cannons to mp/tp replenishment because it doesn't add to the dps. In brd's case it's even worse, it lowers the dps and therefore he/she will not meet the requirement. SMN's should refuse helping out healers, raising in worst case scenario's both or single healers, OT and MT's and even DPS's because healers mp is that low, that any further healing & raising isn't an option, leading to multiple wipes in that case. Raise doesn't add to the SMN's dps and that's the requirement correct?

There's plenty of other examples, but I asking myself, based on your example and logic, would we even make it out of the front door or are we all standing at the spawn point because we are all paying our own sub and can do whatever we want?

[Lukha]

I think removing Cleric Stance would be the one thing that would actually, finally drive me to quit the game.

Hell, disabling it in PvP made me seriously consider it.