PAX 2017 : Request the next new Job

[NaesakiAshwell]

very different from the monstrosity that is "SMN" in this game.

I would have hoped after being gone for 220+ days that this whole stupid thing would have finally died about and people would shut up about the XIV Summoner not being a Summoner, I'm still hoping for way too much from the forum community it seems.
-edit- I'm fully aware forums are a place of feedback and discussion, I just think its utterly pointless to keep calling Summoner a monstrosity and the fact you all just blindly ignore the lore reasons why the interpretation is so different here as well, now I loved FF XI's summoner and as soon as I started playing this game I knew full well the Summoner here would be very different, but apparently that makes it a monstrosity?


As for the whole request thing, I'd love to see a mace or morning star wielding type job or job that fights with a Bo-Staff

I'd still love to see Dancer done in some form and Geomancer to be like a more offensive practitioner of Earth, Wind and Water magicks counterpart to White Mage.

[Jerbob]

I would have hoped after being gone for 220+ days that this whole stupid thing would have finally died about and people would shut up about the XIV Summoner not being a Summoner, I'm still hoping for way too much from the forum community it seems.

I'm sorry that we don't have a common view of what a Summoner job should be like, but that's a difference of opinion, not some dramatic fault with a whole community! Perhaps the fact that people are still discussing it 220 days later means that there might be some validity to it, for some people at least? Forums are intended to be places of discussion, and this forum is at least in part about feedback. If people are unhappy with some aspect of a job then this is precisely the right place to express that - particularly in a thread explicitly about jobs!

[Ririta]

the fact you all just blindly ignore the lore reasons

And you blindly ignore Xelphatol.

Even if we were to ignore the fact that incomplete summoning is canon, why aren't we at least getting more egis? We were promised to get them 3 years ago lol.

I really enjoy pet classes in MMOs but at this rate I don't think that beastmaster would be a good idea at all.

[NaesakiAshwell]

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I wasn't blindly ignoring Xelphatol so please don't just assume things thank you.

I am however annoyed about the lack of new egi's as the next person, I would love to see some more doing a variety of different things, Like one of them more focused on doing aoe damage / to be given more of a reason to shift them around in combat. :sigh: Anyway, I shouldn't open my mouth any more, I'm just frustrated at the job I love to play constantly being *words I can't say* on non-stop by people. Its so soul crushing at times, though I do apologise for lashing out at Jerbob.

And who knows come Stormblood the new Summoner abilities might revolve around some more pet interaction which would be nice, I'd even like them to expand the amount of abilities each Egi has.

Anyway thats enough derailing, not gonna reply again about this. We all have our opinions on the matter, lets just leave it at that.

[Ririta]

I wasn't blindly ignoring Xelphatol so please don't just assume things thank you.

Sorry, this is a really hot topic to me.

I trash talk summoner because I love the job so much. I just wanted it to be "appropriate", be it with real summons or egis.

[Belhi]

Sorry, this is a really hot topic to me.

I trash talk summoner because I love the job so much. I just wanted it to be "appropriate", be it with real summons or egis.

I am afraid they gave their reasoning for not adding more Egis. They felt that the existing Egis covered all the bases of what a SMN is going to be doing and so felt adding new Egis would just be replacing older ones.

I am not saying I agree with it, but that is the reason they have given and the reason they look at Egi Glamours.

I would like the current jobs changed up that allow them to perform more roles. paladin healer, whm dps, ninja tank, drg tank, drk dps, war dps. Ditch the whole disciple of *** and just give them different soul stones like arcanist.

They have already pretty much ruled this out. Yoshi P said he would prefer to spend the time it would take giving an existing Job another role in just adding a completely new Job.

[Inosaska]

I am afraid they gave their reasoning for not adding more Egis. They felt that the existing Egis covered all the bases of what a SMN is going to be doing and so felt adding new Egis would just be replacing older ones.

I am not saying I agree with it, but that is the reason they have given and the reason they look at Egi Glamours.

If they don't plan on adding more then they can remove them and add a super power that comes from each of them that would be far better then having access to only three of them kind of like bahamuts power. They should have held off on releasing summoner because its obvious that it was rushed and not planned out properly. I'm interested in seeing what the changes will be in the expansion for the job.

[Ririta]

They should have held off on releasing summoner because its obvious that it was rushed and not planned out properly.

Personally I loved summoner and scholar in ARR. They aren't specs, but they work like specs (a familiar gameplay, but another role in a party). Certainly the most interesting 2.0 jobs to me, changing between them and still being a decent player is why I rerolled this one as arcanist.

But they got really lazy with summoner in the expansion, not sure why. I mean, it's not like anyone rages at me for using Ifrit in duties, perfect balance isn't needed at all. The most important thing in a job is "feel". Even if the elemental wheel was removed, black mage still has this "feel" (cast big destructive spells).

I wonder how much of this balance obsession hinders new jobs from being what they could be? Like, I imagine that if we had beastmaster it could have only one pet. Or, if we had, lets say, a ranger, it would probably have black mage-tier mobility. It kinda sucks when I think about it.

[Jerbob]

blindly ignore the lore reasons

I'm just gonna poke my nose in here too and suggest that lore is infinitely mutable. If we didn't have a SMN class at all in XIV, and someone suggested "Egis" here on this forum, the same logic that people like to use would apply - there is lore that expressly prohibits summoning in any form, so Summoner cannot exist in this game. SE added an addendum to their own lore with the inclusion of these floating pieces of modelling clay, allowing XIV SMN to exist - there is absolutely no reason why they couldn't do it again. Or, indeed, have done a much better job originally. Or even just make the job and class mechanically better and still call them "Egis"!

I'm sure there are reasons SE would claim make a proper summoner impractical in this game, but I personally don't believe that lore is one of them. I mean, look what they did with regards to new egis - SE said they don't want new egis for "what would they even do?" reasons, and they magically generate more restrictive lore to back it up. That's fine, I suppose, as a way of sorting things out in the FFXIV world, but it doesn't suddenly make the decision inviolable because it's enshrined in lore.

I will admit that perhaps I was too strong calling XIV SMN a monstrosity. I mean, it's fine mechanically, and I am sure a lot of people really enjoy it. That's fine! I'd probably enjoy it if it was reskinned and retargetted as something not-SMN (although they'd have to lose the books. I really, really hate the books. So much). I just cannot feel comfortable calling a class summoner if it barely does any actual summoning. That's the whole reason I like the summoner of Final Fantasy, and to see it changed so radically for what appears to be very little reason or gain is deeply frustrating.

The producer has in the past mentioned that certain jobs have had to be "reinterpreted" to fit into XIV's restrictive framework, so I don't think it's just my imagination.

A hyperbolic example: assume that XIV Warrior no longer exists, and Botanist is called Warrior. It ticks some of the boxes - it has an axe, sort of, it can technically attack enemies, and I could put it in some equipment that makes it look ferocious... possibly. But shouldn't Warrior be able to take and deal out hits? Well, XIV's interpretation of Warrior is a gatherer that makes you money so you can buy powerful weapons for your other jobs - Warrior deals damage in that way, through economics. That's baffling, though just within the bounds of logical thought, but it's not what I signed up for. I signed up for the Warrior/Fighter of the Final Fantasy world. For me, Summoner is the same.

Apologies for derailing a bit, but I think my point stands - my new job wish is Summoner, and for the souped-up Arcanist we already have (which is fine!) to be called Arcanist from 1 to 60.