Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[Underdog2204]

Unless you make around 8-10k seals per (~15min) run from the dungeons, I'm pretty sure it's a loss.
You'll need to check the MB on your server to estimate how much, but you are def/ly losing.

Seeing no objection, I assume you're ok with giving everyone the "need" option? This is what matters.

Everyone does have the need option unless I'm missing something, show me one person who doesn't have the option to need on stuff.

Yeah coz you need to grind out them seals if you want them... You can't possibly build them up naturally though playing the game and running stuff... You know have some progression over a period of time... Shock horror.

[AmeliaVerves]

Forward and back.

Since you never reply to my posts/questions, I assume it's because I am too logical and you can't compete with my arguments.

I will still give it one more try: For what do you need those dungeon drops so badly?


Btw I am wondering where do I get the mats for those ilvl220 items to desynthesize (thanks ) from? Because I can either buy them to spend a whole lot of money or I can gather them which will take much more than ~15min per 8k seals.

[Cordie]

Everyone does have the need option unless I'm missing something.

Yeah coz you need to grind out them seals if you want them... You can't possibly build them up naturally though playing the game and running stuff... You know have some progression over a period of time... Shock horror.

Yes, you are missing that it is role/class/job-locked.

(If it's not a pressing matter why bother rolling on loot in random dungeons to exchange for seals?)

[Underdog2204]

Yes, you are missing that it is role/class/job-locked.

(If it's not a pressing matter why bother rolling on loot in random dungeons to exchange for seals?)

You are saying its a pressing matter, everyone else is saying they are adding some progression. Yeah so what jobs can't need on gear?

Think the idea to let everyone need on everything is clever? Coming from 170 Sophia runs and 110 Zurvan runs for a bird where everyone has the option to need on it you think it's such a good idea to add this to 8 man and 24 man trials too... That'll get people any gear for sure >.>

I'll try to explain this again, if I want gear specifically to wear I enter as that role (coz that's the common sense thing to do). If I'm playing my MCH and aiming gear drops I will take it (unless someone asks) because I was forutnate enough to have gear I'm allowed to need on drop. You're entire premise is that RNG is out to get you for not having specific job gear drop at very specific times.

[AmeliaVerves]

Yes, you are missing that it is role/class/job-locked.

(If it's not a pressing matter why bother rolling on loot in random dungeons to exchange for seals?)

It would be unfair to make it ffa! I ran Sycrus Tower as Healer (and made my friend go as healer as well so he can pass) for about 20 Times to get the body piece out of it! It would have been even more if I didn't had the option to need on it! And it took about 40 minutes to get into the raid each time! So why should anyone else be entitled to get the body if they don't even dare to put in any effort for it. (Even if it's "just" entering as right role!)

[bardaboo]

The need greed option is quite fair yet still susceptible to rng.
And you still haven't answered why you have to have the 245 gear so badly.
I presented you with 5 better options and your only response is shire gear is 0.9 pieces per week.
And? What is your end goal. Are you trying to get your off classes into savage?

[Cordie]

Since you never reply to my posts/questions, I assume it's because I am too logical and you can't compete with my arguments.

I will still give it one more try: For what do you need those dungeon drops so badly?


Btw I am wondering where do I get the mats for those ilvl220 items to desynthesize (thanks ) from? Because I can either buy them to spend a whole lot of money or I can gather them which will take much more than ~15min per 8k seals.

Yes, sorry, I skip posts if I see they're covered already.

idk, why do you need them again?

for mats ARF for lore cap (if you don't have it already) -> Hismena(? -the NPC in the middle in Rowena's place in Idyllshire). Check the MB first (demand and prices are low). only thing you'll want to get yourself (or have someone craft in my case) is the dissolvents, but that depends on your server's prices anyways.

[Underdog2204]

Yes, sorry, I skip posts if I see they're covered already.

idk, why do you need them again?

for mats ARF for lore cap (if you don't have it already) -> Hismena(? -the NPC in the middle in Rowena's place in Idyllshire). Check the MB first (demand and prices are low). only thing you'll want to get yourself (or have someone craft in my case) is the dissolvents, but that depends on your server's prices anyways.

Brilliant! I should buy things from the MB to trade for seals to get mats to sell for gil! Now that makes perfect sense to do.... Or I can build up seals through the system in place as I am allowed (and so is everyone else) and actually make some gil.

Urm who needs on gear for lores? Ohhh so all people need to do is get someone else to make money for them too! Coz that's not entirlely selfish... Don't even care if your friend offered to do it, a none selfish person would decline and do it themselves imo.

[Squigley]

This is still going on? Wow.
The player community defines the appropriate etiquette and in this game it's ok to Need pretty much all the time. I don't agree with it but that's just boo-hoo for me. A forum discussion won't change the way how things are done in-game.

But what I'd hope the people calling the OP's idea stupid would understand is that in many (or probably most) other MMO's this kind of systematic lower gear Needing is seen as a very selfish and greedy thing. Doing it gives you a high probability of being kicked from the party and maybe even blacklisted for being a jerk. At least for me this FFXIV kind of thinking was a quite big culture shock. I'm probably not the only one feeling like that and I'd guess that's one of the reasons why some folks can get quite vocal about the Neediness. They feel it's unfair* and wrong.

*please see previously posted gear drop percentage chart

[Serilda]

Brilliant! I should buy things from the MB to trade for seals to get mats to sell for gil! Now that makes perfect sense to do.... Or I can build up seals through the system in place as I am allowed (and so is everyone else) and actually make some gil.

Can't you buy gear from the market board too? Thus bringing the entire conversation back to its logical end once again?

Maybe people just want nobody to queue for anything any more and only do content with friends, so they can moan about queue times instead.

OP: Please consider talking to your party members and asking. They are human beings.