Is our sub fee not enought

[Domeric]

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

This is apt.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

By making excuses for Square-Enix (or any company) to add more content outside of the sub, you're actively devaluing how much your subcost is. You're saying, "My 15 (or 12) dollars isn't enough. You deserve more money." To the far extreme, this develops MMOs like Star Wars the Old Republic, where all of the good looking armors are in gambling boxes purchased with real money -- including armors that existed before the gambling boxes did, which were taken out of the game so that you can only get them by gambling.

[bswpayton]

This is apt.


By making excuses for Square-Enix (or any company) to add more content outside of

But if you do the math its not enough not even close to enough so what are you saying exactly show me a popular mmo witout a cash shop, show me one that makes money off of sub payment only. You guys are being delusional this game wants to be at the top just like Im sure any other game does a mere 15 dollar sub a month isnt going to do that you no what does people like someone said earlier they spent 900 dollars on the mog station stop blaminig the company and see that people have the choice to buy these items. 15 dollars is cheap for all the content thats in this game, could the emotes be cheaper sure but they dont have to be because people still buy them for seven dollars.

[Naunet]

people have the choice to buy these items.

You have the choice to buy them! No one is forcing you!

And slowly more and more items that would have in the past been added straight to the game through content patches find their place on the cash shop instead. That excuse erodes the value of our game.

[bswpayton]

You have the choice to buy them! No one is forcing you!

And slowly more and more items that would have in the past been added straight to the game through content patches find their place on the cash shop instead. That excuse erodes the value of our game.

Well you said that youd rather them go free to play if they continue to do this I personally would rather them not the sub is to keep up steady content like we get now. It doesnt matter to me what the cash shop does for them because the game is providing plenty of things in game for me I dont have to have it all.

So Im fine with whatever they put in cash shop as long as they continue to make and provide good content for us on a regular schedule, if I where rich Id be doing the samething as SE its just business dude. Nothing more to it , I just cant believe its this much fuss over an emote when the game basically just gave us free 270 accessories and just gave us two or three new emotes for our sub. This is the state of all mmos pretty much youd be hard press to find one that wasnt tryin to maximize profit , same goes for rpgs, the days of you buy something at base price and you get everything to go with it are over.

[Naunet]

So Im fine with whatever they put in cash shop as long as they continue to make and provide good content for us on a regular schedule

Emotes are content, too. I couldn't care less about 270 accessories.

Sub isn't required for regular content updates, by the way. There are a few MMOs that knock that assertion down pretty handily. Note though that I'm not saying I want the game to go free-to-play, only that I feel that there is a line being crossed. If they want to milk us to this level with the cash shop, then I do not want them charging us a mandatory $15/month on top of it all.

[Domeric]

But if you do the math its not enough not even close to enough so what are you saying exactly show me a popular mmo witout a cash shop, show me one that makes money off of sub payment only. You guys are being delusional this game wants to be at the top just like Im sure any other game does a mere 15 dollar sub a month isnt going to do that you no what does people like someone said earlier they spent 900 dollars on the mog station stop blaminig the company and see that people have the choice to buy these items. 15 dollars is cheap for all the content thats in this game, could the emotes be cheaper sure but they dont have to be because people still buy them for seven dollars.

Can you empirically prove that?

[Jandor]

But if you do the math its not enough not even close to enough so what are you saying exactly show me a popular mmo witout a cash shop, show me one that makes money off of sub payment only.

This one.

It didn't launch with the cash shop, we went over a year before they introduced it. Game made so much money in that time it pretty much saved SE from going under.

We're not talking about a totally different era in gaming or anything, it was literally just a couple years ago.