Is our sub fee not enought

[Naunet]

They are correctly incentivizing if they have made you want to buy something.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

[Stormrider]

No one is being forced to buy Cash Shop items. They are completely unnecessary to play the game.

You are missing the point when consumers do nothing or even approve it emboldens companies to take more. And no not all medicines are considered a necessity or governments wouldn't allow for obscene mark up. Some medication are covered or protected and others that aren't considered a necessity even if you are passing away or suffering. I also live in a country with decent protection for the people.

I am sure we could make a huge list of basic Quality of Life stuff that has a mark up because they can. It isn't about if you need the emote or not. If it was 1 dollar i still wouldn't pay for it. It is the idea that it is ok to do that.

[Kaedan]

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

Don't use the word fallacy when you don't know how to use it correctly. A fallacy is an invalid/illogical response in argument. When I said that SE isn't a charity and that they don't owe you anything beyond providing server access and monthly content, that there is nothing fallacious about that statement. It's pure fact. You, on the other hand, provide plenty of invalid statements here, such as "owing money to SE for the sake of existing"... that's false and hyperbolic.

And yes, they are correctly incentivizing because you want the item so badly to the point that you're willing to spend hours a day attempting to argue why you should get it for free.

[Shougun]

There is a difference between gouging you customers and trying to establish additional revenue streams. Ever asked for a new feature for FF14? The money for that has to come from somewhere. How would you suggest they make additional revenue to cover additional features?

Well of course there will be people who say "any price higher than $0 is price gouging" lol, but I would say that even if they develop stuff in game that doesn't make any price used on the Cash Shop to be non-gouging. Personally would suggest they add a Kupo Nut cash shop currency that you get by having a subscription, then go through and make everything account wide and or retrievable where it makes sense like the LotR ID system to the housing trees so if someone trys to delete it instead it will be sent to your mail box, wedding bangle can't be wasted so easily, a better system to handle credit card failure, ability to mix Kupo Cash with real cash (turn that $30 mount into a $5 mount - if you had $25 Kupo Cash), finally refrain from having many unique items invented onto the shop frequently (not saying never, but just like don't make 20 unique items a month lol).

For SE's side they would see more players visit the shop as everyone would have a bit of Kupo Cash and thus reason to visit; however, they players wouldn't earn enough Kupo Cash to make the whole shop invalid only enough that if they chose to they could save up for that mount or one missed event from years past. Increased traffic would be helpful in getting people to see other items they may want to purchase, but the fact you could get everything from your subscription would allow other players (and SE themselves) to better defend that you can use just a sub to get all the available.

At least imo, a big part of arguments I see, and personally bothers me, is that it is /impossible/ to get certain items (besides the shop) or that they're priced for whales. So perhaps they can encourage players even more to stay subscribed, veteran replacement system, (build up the KC, Kupo Cash) and visit the shop, if someone had $5 in KC and saw the $7 emote really they could buy it for $3 that'd probably make them feel much better about it (or $0, if you have $7 KC) - so the KC could effectively discount items to non-whale pricing IF you don't buy every item under the sun. But the whales love to buy stuff so they will, buying faster than the KC given means that SE still can price at the whale level.

Sales would probably receive more visits too, so when they visit without a lot of KC they may still be willing to purchase from the shop as they've already personally used the shop multiple times before, they've tasted from your opium well sort of speak lol (SE: *evil laughter*). I believe it would increase actual purchase rates, they just have to make sure the amount of KC you get is neither too much (makes cash shop pointless, investors will slap someone) or too little (players will say great I get $2 KC a year, that gets me nothing, thanks for ruining the veteran system).

KC would basically be mog shop specific Crysta, since you can use Crysta for your subscription too. This sort of thing could also replace the Veteran system - so they don't have to consider that anymore (they can keep making new items but the veteran reward would be the choice to buy those new items or old items, whatever - do with it what you will), and they can add all old veteran rewards to the mog shop (which would be helpful for new players to the game who would be really sad its going to take them 2 years to get cloud's costume otherwise). I sort of suggested this Veteran change a long time ago, but didn't think of it in context of the Mog shop as much as a Veteran shop, but later I realized other MMOs have done this to fairly successful extents (like Everquest - which moved into the sort of system I'm describing) I think it might not be a bad thing for them to think about this. At least imo, being able to occasionally reduce price, or even sometimes after building up your KC stock being able to pay for the entire item, as well as take away the exclusive argument, would give the Cash Shop a lot more morale than it does now - which is "overpriced, too many, exclusive".

[Naunet]

When I said that SE isn't a charity and that they don't owe you anything beyond providing server access and monthly content, that there is nothing fallacious about that statement.

It is a fallacy when it's being used to assert that companies have carte blanche to do whatever they want just because it will earn them money. The fact is they do NOT, because we as customers have every right to criticize them for actions we do not see as beneficial to us. We customers are not simply here to serve as good little girls and boys who open our wallets at every whim of the company because ~*they're just trying to make money*~. So I am not going to shut up and I'm not going to stop calling out SE for what I see as harmful business practices that take away value from the base game in exchange for cash-grabbing, over-priced mogstation items.

Lol at your last line though.

[Domeric]

They aren't correctly incentivizing, however, as I refuse to purchase things for such a poor value.

But ah, that good ol' charity fallacy. I don't owe SE money for the sake of it existing. They have to deserve it. MY wallet is not a charity, either.

This is apt.

You seem to continually forget that SE isn't a charity. They provide services and content for your sub. Access to every cosmetic in the game was never part of the sub deal.

By making excuses for Square-Enix (or any company) to add more content outside of the sub, you're actively devaluing how much your subcost is. You're saying, "My 15 (or 12) dollars isn't enough. You deserve more money." To the far extreme, this develops MMOs like Star Wars the Old Republic, where all of the good looking armors are in gambling boxes purchased with real money -- including armors that existed before the gambling boxes did, which were taken out of the game so that you can only get them by gambling.

[Kaedan]

It is a fallacy when it's being used to assert that companies have carte blanche to do whatever they want just because it will earn them money.

Hyperbolic. And I never said anything of the sort.

The fact is they do NOT, because we as customers have every right to criticize them for actions we do not see as beneficial to us. We customers are not simply here to serve as good little girls and boys who open our wallets at every whim of the company because ~*they're just trying to make money*~.

You're right. You're free to criticize if you want. And you are completely within your rights not to make a purchase of something. No one is forcing you.

However, what you're doing is claiming you are entitled to some specific items being offered because you pay a subscription fee. That is objectively false and continue to not understand.

Your sub entitles you to server access and monthly content updates. That's it. You've continued to make the claim that you're entitled to the emotes "just because". You're not entitled to them anymore more than you're entitled to the mounts or character-specific glamour items. If you want them, buy them, don't complain that you should get them for free.

[Skivvy]

I only managed to get to the top of page 4 of XIV's optional items page before I screwed up on the calculator, but my tally so far was $549.99. I tried to leave out duplicates (only added female version of outfits, single dye options, full item sets vs. individual items, left off weddings as there is a free version). They have 7 pages total. When I'm off of work I'll have to try again and hopefully I won't fat finger again. lol

Boredom won out. So for a single character, you can own all cash shop items for a hair over $990!

I did add the $20 wedding package into the mix this time as you do get the mount + all wedding outfits which is not in free version. I still only counted female versions of outfits, single dyes and full sets of items only. No fantasias, world transfers or other "account" items were included.

Anyway, figured I'd post in case anyone was curious

[Kosmos992k]

Your sub entitles you to server access and monthly content updates. That's it. You've continued to make the claim that you're entitled to the emotes "just because". You're not entitled to them anymore more than you're entitled to the mounts or character-specific glamour items. If you want them, buy them, don't complain that you should get them for free.

No, there is something of a 'social contract' that is rather assumed when you pay a monthly subscription fee that certain things will not be done. gouging *paying* customers in a cash shop is one of those things.

[Stormrider]

Your sub entitles you to server access and monthly content updates. That's it.

Screw the emotes. Our sub entitles us to monthly content. So we say that monthly content is lacking, then what. I 100% do not want the emotes.

I object to the current quality of the game. The current pricing structure for monthly subs. The current inability to provide a unified gaming experience across all servers. The fact that decisions (actual game play) seem to be changed based on the idea of making more money. Someone fantasias what ever. Dev team goes back on word about gating then says down the road will be able to skip for cash, not whatever.

While you may not see the emotes and this as related I do. It is a company mandate to milk player base over providing content.