Quote Originally Posted by Roda View Post
F2P games done right should not have a negative feeling paying experience. I've never felt robbed by a purchase in wildstar, GW2, or warframe, because they are free games that have been handled well. They've all got some kind of integration where free players can access cash shop content if they play the game enough. Don't want to buy madame fey coins in wildstar but want the goodies? Make the plat to buy it off the auction house when people eventually sell them. Don't want to buy black lion keys in GW2? Same deal, buy the skins off the trading post. Want a cool new skin in warframe? Farm up some prime parts or rare mods and trade players for cash shop currency.
The F2P mmo market is no longer the korean p2w grinding wastelands it once was. Naunet's specific f2p experiences are accurate and valid.

This bias against f2p games makes it look like you're setting the bar lower for SE because we don't have lockboxes on our cash shop.
And if you're not, I truly do not understand the point of your hyperbolic attempt to invalidate Naunet's experiences.
So if XIV was like that, you would spend gil to get cash shop items?

Let me ask you, what else can you buy with the in game currency in these games? Most F2P MMOs I've played, the very best gear you can get can be sold. So in terms of XIV, upgraded Scripture and Alexander Savage gear would be able to be sold.

Also you never talked about the points I brought up which was how cash shop is implemented. You only talked about how F2P people can get cash shop items. As a cash shop spender, is XIV or the F2P MMOs better or worse?

The point I'm discussing is
Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
free-to-play MMOs handle their cash shops better than your pay-to-play MMO, you know there is a problem.
How easy is it to get the rare items released on the cash shop in these F2P MMOs? How much money do you need to spend to get them? Also how often do new cash shop items come out? Is it viable for someone in these F2P MMOs to get every single cosmetic/exclusive cash shop items without selling their soul to the game and grinding for gold 24/7? Can someone in these F2P MMOs just spend $1000 on the game and have BIS in a weekend?