People need to get real about Duty Finder queues.

[Leonus]

The same reason people dont even attempt to do the hardest content in the game, its a mix of how the players make you feel for not being good, and a mix of ur own self doubts I have many friends like this that just craft and do duty roulletes. Which Im finding is a majority of the games population, dpsing is just so much easier in this game than tanking you hardly ever here dps gettin called out as you do healers or tanks.

This I don't understand, just because DPS don't get called out doesn't make it less stressfull if you are actually trying to be good.
Maybe it's my mindset I have to know the fight in a different way than a tank or healer as a DPS. Everyone knows this, I still pay attention to the tanks placement and can tell how they are slightly off or way off and how that may or may not affect how I now place myself. How other DPS place themselves, the time between phases, bow that time may cause me to me to alter my rotation for the best DPS output, manage my buffs and abilities just like a healer/tank. The timing of spawns, the order in which they must die, timeframe in which they must die and a plethera of other things. All in the name of being as efficient as possible, the same as required as the other two roles.

I assume people don't understand the fustration a dps player can feel when you are actually the reason your party wipes. When you die and the phase doesn't get pushed because your large contributuon is missing. The one thing that you are there to guaruntee happens does not happen because you screwed up somewhere. Your party wipes because you are performing subpar or were not as efficient as possible with your rotation. You left the boss too early and didn't push the envelope, you were slightly oiut of place and may have killed someone else. You took unnescessary damage and caused the healer to have to bail you out. The tes when you put the tank in a bad position and they have to adjust, which throws the whole party off.

I think people confuse lower skill floor for DPS and not beimg able to call out bad players for bad dps and positioning for being easy. While this is my opnion, I do believe DPS has a lower skill floor than a healer oR tank, I wholeheartedly believe that DPD played as hard as possible has a higher skill ceiling than the other two roles.

Edit: Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess, everyone argues that their role is harder than the next. Something that happens across almost every game.

[Malevolence]

But if 1 dps is being a brat, I brush it off. if both dps are being a brat. Ill rip off all my gear n say get your own tank. What you gonna do kick me!? you already waited 30+ mins to get in here. Way to be a pack of jerks.

I main a BLM but like to experiment with different classes and stuff, so made a DRK a while ago because I loved the look and wanted to try out a different play-style. Generally pretty fun though I feel the learning curve for DRK is pretty steep and the MP management needed to maximize the role is frustrating at times. I like insta-queues though but cannot stand when DPS want to 'offer advice' in my daily roulettes. I tell them they can tank if they like, and typically their response is 'I don't have a tank.' Have left several instances as a result.

[bswpayton]

This I don't understand, just because DPS don't get called out doesn't make it less stressfull if you are actually trying to be good.

Ive met alot of people that quit tankin are started off as a tank and just quick because of this reason players trash talking, go do ten extreme pf and 8 out of ten of them somebody gona blame the healer or the tank. Its very rare in game that Ive heard people calling out others for poor dps the only thing dps effects is the timing of how quickly something can get done. Last night I was on my blm , the bard wasnt even using wm i wasnt gona say anything to him even tho it was taking longer to kill stuff and I know I myself am still learning blm at level 60 and stuff was steal dying so kept my mouth shut which I usually aways do. But if a tank isnt using their stance then its gona be bad dps can get away with alot more and come a dim a dozen. Tanks and healers dont have that same kinda luxury.

[Iromi]

To me none of this effects me because I have a static I've played with since day 1, since FFXI days even.

In fact, the entire time I've played FFXIV I have never queued up for something alone actually >.> And not by choice..it's just that we all always play together hehe^^

I think the issue lies within a few things. Tanking/Healing not being fun for people, I know personally I quit healing because I play healer to heal, not to DPS..so instead I may as well just play DPS. Also how its very easy to see when a tank/healer makes a mistake, but a DPS? Not so much...

A few things need to change in order for this to be fixed. Anyway, Yoshida in the questions panel recently said there is not much he can say atm, but there will be a way to see how DPS performs. Something like that.

If people want to play DPS...they are just going to have to deal with waiting I guess, or make tank friends it seems ._.

[dragonseth07]

I like insta-queues though but cannot stand when DPS want to 'offer advice' in my daily roulettes. I tell them they can tank if they like, and typically their response is 'I don't have a tank.' Have left several instances as a result.

Be careful rejecting criticism. It's real easy to cement a terrible play style that way. I've met DRK's who react just like that to basic things like "Turn on Darkside" or "Turn the mobs".

[Friggan]

Personally, I love constructive feedback when I tank. I am a new 60 WAR, so I don't have as much exp tanking as I do say healing or DPS.

The issue I have is DPS who are impatient or say pull more mobs or negative things that take the fun out of the run. Once I feel confident and have a feel for what I can and cannot pull effectively I am sure I will oblige , but I need to get my confidence first.

So if you are in a run with a new (er) tank, be patient or provide helpful info and you will all benefit from it.

[Malevolence]

Be careful rejecting criticism. It's real easy to cement a terrible play style that way. I've met DRK's who react just like that to basic things like "Turn on Darkside" or "Turn the mobs".

Feedback is fine when appropriate. But, not when clearing content without issue - when we wipe, feel free to chime in. Just because the DPS wants me to play a certain way doesn't mean I have to. Don't like it, feel free to kick .

[dragonseth07]

Feedback is fine when appropriate. But, not when clearing content without issue - when we wipe, feel free to chime in. Just because the DPS wants me to play a certain way doesn't mean I have to. Don't like it, feel free to kick .

Eh. You can play poorly without so bad as to cause a wipe. You can always improve from a clear.

[Dualgunner]

If a DPS fails, you make fun of them, Rez and move on. DPS is the role for people who are going to fail.

Pre-nerf A6S begs to differ. If anyone died and got weakness, or got hit with a mechanic and got damage down, you *weren't* going to meet enrage, and you *had* to wipe the party and restart.

[birdy_reene]

I main a BLM but like to experiment with different classes and stuff, so made a DRK a while ago because I loved the look and wanted to try out a different play-style. Generally pretty fun though I feel the learning curve for DRK is pretty steep and the MP management needed to maximize the role is frustrating at times. I like insta-queues though but cannot stand when DPS want to 'offer advice' in my daily roulettes. I tell them they can tank if they like, and typically their response is 'I don't have a tank.' Have left several instances as a result.

I laugh at those people. When they offer me advise I just say "I Main tank raids and savage content. I don't need your advise. I don't need you either. All I need is the healer. This dungeon can be cleared without you, may take forever, but your easily replaced. So sit down and kill what I pull or enjoy waiting for my replacement. I don't have to wait, you do" And go back to tanking. If they get snotty I ignore them and giggle if I get kicked. I do large pulls, sometimes I do small. Just depends on my mood on a given day or how enjoyable the group I'm stuck with plays. Personally I blame the community at large for why more people don't tank. Its a thankless job outside of the raiding community. Tanking for this community sucks.