Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[LalaRu]

Reading here and there, I feel like the entitlement ran so high that some community now demands everyone playing top notch even when on DF.

Sadly, after some year have passed, I see the problem worsen by the day. All those upset because being matched with "bad" players I think are losing what they are doing: playing a game. They were so focused on their "mission" that they lost where they are and thinking the game is all about maxing efficency, dps, and top raiding. It is not. It is only how you choose to play it. DF is a means to help all players go ahead and learn at their peace, or don't learn at all, because maybe they are playing a game just to kill some time, and have no interest on being the top raider of the world.

When you are a top player, on DF you are being matched with the rest of the world. That is nothing to be upset to, it is the DF's mission. Or else the new or sub-par player will be more and more emarginated by the growing number of expert players that won't want play with them and making a community apart. So much apart that now claiming their own "rights" to the point to kick out people from DF for not being in their league.

And now (trying to go back to the topic) we see players clearly abusing of the Mentor feature, that I need to remind, it is not only a crown on your head, but also good perks with it, and those people wants get all benefits of perks but not giving in exchange what they agreed to, when applying for mentor: help players.

Yes, you Mentor will find lazy people, entitled noobs, every kind of bestiary you can get on DF, but it is what you have to expect, and you have to deal with. Nicely.

To make some IRL equivalent of Mentoring, if you get hired on a customer support and then turning away all customers you don't like, your job won't last a day.

[Isala]

To make some IRL equivalent of Mentoring, if you get hired on a customer support and then turning away all customers you don't like, your job won't last a day.

To make another IRL equivalent of Mentoring, it's like being in IT, trying desperately to get someone to understand the basics of using the mouse to right click, and them getting angry at you because that's not how they want to use their mouse. And then complaining that you didn't help them when you finally give up on them.

[ElHeggunte]

Reading here and there, I feel like the entitlement ran so high that some community now demands everyone playing top notch even when on DF.

No one is expecting topnotch skill. We just expect you to make an effort. Those aren't anywhere near asking for the same thing. The only entitlement is from the people who think that just by making it into the queue means they should be able to do whatever they want without repercussion, even if it means dragging down the other 3/7/23 players in whatever group was unfortunate enough to receive them.

Sadly, after some year have passed, I see the problem worsen by the day. All those upset because being matched with "bad" players I think are losing what they are doing: playing a game. They were so focused on their "mission" that they lost where they are and thinking the game is all about maxing efficency, dps, and top raiding. It is not. It is only how you choose to play it. DF is a means to help all players go ahead and learn at their peace, or don't learn at all, because maybe they are playing a game just to kill some time, and have no interest on being the top raider of the world.

Once again, there is a very big difference between being a "top raider" and just putting in real effort. The time for teaching someone more than a fight's mechanics also ends after a certain period. The OP being level 60 in Sohr Khai, for example, is long past the point where they should know what gear BRDs wear and should have had a solid grasp on their rotation ages ago.

And we get "upset" because the game is no longer fun when you're paired with a dead-weight that obviously doesn't care enough to try. Especially when that results in extra long duties or duties that can't be cleared at all because they can't or wont play the game on a most basic level.

When you are a top player, on DF you are being matched with the rest of the world. That is nothing to be upset to, it is the DF's mission. Or else the new or sub-par player will be more and more emarginated by the growing number of expert players that won't want play with them and making a community apart. So much apart that now claiming their own "rights" to the point to kick out people from DF for not being in their league.

Good. Someone who refuses to try doesn't deserve to play with everyone else. It would be nice if everyone I met was always "in my league", but I know better than to ever expect that in DF. I will expect that you know the basics of your class and know how to gear it once you reach a certain point though.

And now (trying to go back to the topic) we see players clearly abusing of the Mentor feature, that I need to remind, it is not only a crown on your head, but also good perks with it, and those people wants get all benefits of perks but not giving in exchange what they agreed to, when applying for mentor: help players.

Don't put this all on Mentors and veterans.

1) Too many players don't want to be helped, no matter how you offer.
2) After a point, there are certain types of help you shouldn't have to give if the person on the other end actually cared enough to help themselves. Why should the rest of us waste effort on helping someone who doesn't want to help themselves?

Yes, you Mentor will find lazy people, entitled noobs, every kind of bestiary you can get on DF, but it is what you have to expect, and you have to deal with. Nicely.

Telling them why they're being removed and then removing them is dealing with the situation nicely. Mentors and vets aren't obligated to bring the entire run to a halt to teach someone their class or to carry what's clearly a lost cause.

To make some IRL equivalent of Mentoring, if you get hired on a customer support and then turning away all customers you don't like, your job won't last a day.

Other players in your DF would be coworkers, not customers. And employees that are blatantly dragging down the company are summarily replaced since any company okay with crushing mediocrity never lasts long.

[Daniolaut]

Third: The exact same thing happens again after that with other people..isnt that a bit strange? Doesnt that hint that maybe its really the OPs fault?

It happening twice, to me doesnt automatically make it the "OPs fault" in my mind no.

When I first returned from a break a month or more after Heavensward was released, I also was kicked twice, except I was given no reason. In fact, I have cleared many endgame fights prior to echo being introduced, and most shortly after they were released (within 1-2 weeks) as multiple different jobs. So to say its because of "low dps" is nonsense. "So to say its the OPs fault" is nonsense.

Which leads into my next point:

No one is expecting topnotch skill. We just expect you to make an effort.

I say this not to gloat, but to possibly ensure the reader, that I do have experience playing the game:

All of my /playtime is actual playtime, not "afk" in endgame areas/Limsa, and I clock in at 9,400 hours.

From my experience, people *do* in fact kick people who are trying all the time...

And if they don't kick them, they will bad mouth them the entire time, or at the end of the dungeon.

There is a reason "git gud" is "popular." Its interesting that people are here pretending that, the phrase here isnt a thing. I mean literally the person who I am conversing with the most has it as his signature.

Its literally the main reason I have regularly *not* been subscribed to the game. It's not entertaining to constantly have to find ways to avoid this type of player base.

To make another IRL equivalent of Mentoring, it's like being in IT,

Actually a real life, actual relevant example, would be trying to teach your girlfriend/boyfriend how to play Mortal Kombat, and they are sitting there eating skittles, and you snatch their controller out of their hand..

"because they arent even trying."

players I think are losing what they are doing: playing a game.

Words right out of my mouth.

[Alex_LoneWolf]

To make another IRL equivalent of Mentoring, it's like being in IT, trying desperately to get someone to understand the basics of using the mouse to right click, and them getting angry at you because that's not how they want to use their mouse. And then complaining that you didn't help them when you finally give up on them.

As someone who's done IT stuff before, I don't think I've ever gotten a person who's mad at me for right clicking with a mouse while teaching them some basic concept. They usually give it a go and I've never actually encountered what you've mentioned.

The same is basically true for when I've taught people mechanics in dungeons.

[Isala]

As someone who's done IT stuff before, I don't think I've ever gotten a person who's mad at me for right clicking with a mouse while teaching them some basic concept. They usually give it a go and I've never actually encountered what you've mentioned.

The same is basically true for when I've taught people mechanics in dungeons.

Lucky you. I had some guy rant about how we IT guys screw up everything we touch, because he couldn't access his program after we "fixed" his computer. The lazy PoS was literally too much of a waste of space to double click the obviously marked icon on the desktop. We showed him this, and he told us off because "he shouldn't have to do that. It should always be up." The only reason it was not up, is because either he, or one of his coworkers, closed it out, and this fact is more interesting because it's literally the only program that computer is supposed to be used for. But it was IT's fault. I will credit him one thing, though. We DID mess with that computer. Because it had died. The inside of that thing was caked with so much dust, dirt, and hair, that the power supply had died.

[bardaboo]

Reading here and there, I feel like the entitlement ran so high that some community now demands everyone playing top notch even when on DF.

Let's not forget the entitlement of those players who don't try/ don't care and expect everyone to carry them.

[Alex_LoneWolf]

Let's not forget the entitlement of those players who don't try/ don't care and expect everyone to carry them.

Although I will admit to this happening (once got a MRD in Sastasha that wouldn't even hit anything, just jumped around, I vote kicked before last boss), by the sounds of the OP's post, they were trying to do something. They weren't looking for a carry.

[bardaboo]

Although I will admit to this happening (once got a MRD in Sastasha that wouldn't even hit anything, just jumped around, I vote kicked before last boss), by the sounds of the OP's post, they were trying to do something. They weren't looking for a carry.

I've seen it a lot unfortunately. .. it's quite sad. There are some laaaazy people out there just WAITING to call someone a try hard if they speak up..

And while my comment wasn't specifically directed at anyone, if i see someone wearing wrong accessories and mobs are dying slowly (plus based on the job they're playing i can tell if they are playing close to adequately) i will speak up or, depending on how recently the last player caught my attention, just initiate a vote kick.