Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[JunseiKei]

Not to be one of those creepers dude, but, looked up your character on Lodestone. Your gear is "fine" (used loosely- should really upgrade your accessories too), however you really need to get your lancer up to 34. Blood for Blood for the DPS, but more importantly, you lack invigorate. You have no sustainable DPS, especially an AoE intensive dungeon like SAHM (when you get to it).

Basically, you failed to do your part as a DPS, but came here to complain. It's probably situations like this that are why SE is doing the whole role system instead of the cross class system.

[Pure3ify]

Okay. Where to begin with this one..i am dungeon grinding for gear...I understand I do not have all my cross class abilities but I FULLY understand how to use what I do have, which is songs in cases when needed, Iron Jaws to keep DOTs going and Barrage with Emphy Arrow..etc. I also watch guides so I know placing and what mechanics are going to be used. I am never "dead" weight as you are making me out to be. Being a casual player and limited time on my hands I am playing the game the way I want to play it. I meet the minimal requirements for a dungeon or trial then based on that I am able to complete the current Duty with whatever I have equipped. I am still a new player since when you looked you should of noticed i had only 1 character at lvl 60 and within my first 2 months of playing. So dont patronize me on my duties. I may only have 1 class but i do it as well as i can with what i got. Good day Sir!

[JunseiKei]

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It's a level 22 lancer for the skill you need, small investment to get it, but you just said the magic phrase. Playing the game you want to play it. Everyone else be damned, right? Unfortunately, that's what mentors are doing when they kick you, so that's hypocrisy.

[Pure3ify]

It's a level 22 lancer for the skill you need, small investment to get it, but you just said the magic phrase. Playing the game you want to play it. Everyone else be damned, right? Unfortunately, that's what mentors are doing when they kick you, so that's hypocrisy.

Nice way of twisting my words to help your side of this. Playing the way i want to play it is exactly what I meant. I enjoy range DPS which is why I have stuck with a Bard. The fact that I have cleared every other dungeon until now with no kicking or problems states the obvious that it wasnt my DPS that was the problem. It was "elitist" players like yourself who look down on new players because they dont do 10% extra damage or replenish their own TP or because a dungeon will take longer to complete. Since you cant seem to read earlier replies I already stated i fully inderstand my role and how to appropriately use my class with the abilities i have.

[Venoshock]

Nice way of twisting my words to help your side of this. Playing the way i want to play it is exactly what I meant. I enjoy range DPS which is why I have stuck with a Bard. The fact that I have cleared every other dungeon until now with no kicking or problems states the obvious that it wasnt my DPS that was the problem. It was "elitist" players like yourself who look down on new players because they dont do 10% extra damage or replenish their own TP or because a dungeon will take longer to complete. Since you cant seem to read earlier replies I already stated i fully inderstand my role and how to appropriately use my class with the abilities i have.

Lmao I knew the 'E' word would be used sooner or later. There's nothing elitist being said here. You ask mentors do do their job right? Well here we are giving you advice. Get your cross classes or don't be surprised when you get kicked and start mouthing off when people tell you why you were kicked.

[JunseiKei]

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I didn't twist your words, I simply quoted you and noted how you're basically doing the same thing as the mentors were doing. It's an act of hypocrisy.

No, I saw that you claim to know your role. Unfortunately, without having partied with you or anything, I cannot claim otherwise, so there was simply no need to address it. However, if you understand your role, you'd still know how [physical] DPS still need invigorate to perform to the best of their abilities. Sure, you can still perform and it might go unnoticed, but you're still going on just slipping on by with minimum effort for your class. Considering DPSing is your main role, you should at least vie for that one skill. Also, 10% extra damage every 80 seconds in a 15 minute dungeon (or longer) adds up. You know this, though, since you know your role.

I don't mind being called an elitist for advocating playing to the best of a class's ability. Please do not misunderstand, I am not looking down on a new player. People that know me know I enjoy helping and don't mind spending hours to help people. I just become very blunt when I start dealing with others that start to make excuses for what they do without at least considering what others are telling them.

No, we are not saying that. What we're saying is if you don't have your cross classes which in most classes is mandatory especaially by the time you're level 60, then you cannot be surprised you were kicked.

Here you are coming to the forums complaining about it and we're telling you exactly why it's a sizeable (not great) deal and why it's important to have these abilities which don't take a long time to get and instead of being humble and taking our advice, you're here getting all defensive about it. Sure the mentor could of been a damn mentor and tell you this instead of kicking you but the point still stands.

[Pure3ify]

Well of course I am going to misunderstand, being frustrated and then reading what you and others wrote will get to you. I stated that I understand I dont have cross class abilities and that i knew i was lacking in that regard. I didnt come here looking for help, if so I would have stated so in my original post. I came to the thread to see if anyone else had this experience. Kicking for not speed running or thata dungeon is taking longer is not right. Thats why they give you 60+ mins to complete it. I brought up Mentors because it was both times a Mentor started it. Don't misunderstand me, I do appreciate the advice but not advice im already aware of.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Well of course I am going to misunderstand, being frustrated and then reading what you and others wrote will get to you. I stated that I understand I dont have cross class abilities and that i knew i was lacking in that regard. I didnt come here looking for help, if so I would have stated so in my original post. I came to the thread to see if anyone else had this experience. Kicking for not speed running or thata dungeon is taking longer is not right. Thats why they give you 60+ mins to complete it. I brought up Mentors because it was both times a Mentor started it. Don't misunderstand me, I do appreciate the advice but not advice im already aware of.

Nope the reason you get 60+ minutes to complete it is to account for update day when it is new. People are figuring out the mechanics etc to the fights. If you think players are gonna stay in any dungeon for 60 mins you are deluded.

I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party.

This statement really p****s me off. Yes its your sub bla blah blah blah. Yet those other 2-3 people can come on and say the exact same thing it's my sub I am allowed to vote kick. We can go round in circles on this, your gear is low and you don't have the skills. You now know this, so go spend the time getting them instead of arguing about it.

My bow is lvl 250 its just my accesories and helmet which is item lvl 150. Everything else is 250 and i dont have 2 cross class abilities. I never had an issue up until now because im so late into the game that everyone is looking for speedruns and currency from dungeons. I appreciate your comment and i understand what i need to invest time into. You just find it hard when you only got a handful of hours a day to do something with the already long que times for a DPS. Im averaging 1.5k a hit and 1k or so with normal heavy shot if a combo is used correctly im doing over 2.5k. Never hit 3k tho lol

You have added some high pieces in to cheat the ilvl system. The minimum ilvl is there expecting you to have all/majority of gear at that ilvl. Also it doesnt matter that you have a few items 250. Yes you hit the ilvl, but when it syncs you down the 250 items are capped but your accessories are way under the cap. This means your damage is going to be massively reduced.

Average ilvl 200

You set total stats when synced roughly vs someone with just 200 gear

847 Dex vs 1000
579 Acc vs 540
603 crit vs 599
504 Det vs 535
592 skill vs 675
807 Vit vs 720

** I replaced your 250 pieces with void/highest 200 weapon and compared it to someone with full void/highest 200 weapon.
***Could be slightly worse or better as it was roughly done. I am sure some of you math kids could do it better :P

[Sylve]

I didn't twist your words, I simply quoted you and noted how you're basically doing the same thing as the mentors were doing. It's an act of hypocrisy.

You may not have twisted it, but you certainly misunderstood it. There was no hypocrisy.
You probably thought it was another use of the "i'll play how i want its my sub" argument. What she actually said was:
If I meet the min requirements for an instance I should be able to play it.

Which IS actually what the Devs intended. If you meet the ilvl reqs, You meet the stat requirements to clear it.
The problem is a warped perception of what makes acceptable DPS in a 4 man duty. Too often, overgeared people expect the other 3 members of the party to also be overgeared, thus ensuring that they can speedpull one end to the other.
I have frequently encountered players who have minimum ilvls for the duty and got that there via the wrong accessories. Sometimes they just don't know better, Merely grabbing what they thought was what they needed to continue. Those people i will help to not just finish the duty i found them in, but also make sure to direct them towards the correct gear. Which is what Mentors should be doing, Not just "oh your dps is low /KICK."

The OPs problem would occur a whole lot less often if people weren't expecting every DF run to be a speedrun. Not everyone is going to be overgeared and just wanting to cap tomes.
Sometimes people who actually need not only the tomes but the drops from within the dungeon, queue for those dungeons.

[Pure3ify]

I actually feel like im forming feelings for you Sylve. Finally someone who understands exactly what im trying to say