DPS obsession in farm groups

[DBelmont]

Farms are about efficiency and to have a nice farm, sometimes high enough dps is required to make it enjoyable. With that being said, I can imagine the mindset of someone not wanting to stay in a farm group cause it is too slow. At the same time, that said person can leave and not make it cancerous for those who are fine with it.

[Accelerating]

Feels like a bait thread, I refuse to believe that people are so butthurt about them being bad.

[dragonseth07]

Welcome to the MOAR DPS raid meta that has infected the entire game.

I'm sorry that the "Play Better" meta is prevalent. The "Play Worse" meta is way more fun.

[Alysanne]

It gets even better when you look up OP's name at a "certain website".

I'll admit I did that first thing and got a good laugh.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

I'm sorry that the "Play Better" meta is prevalent. The "Play Worse" meta is way more fun.

Sarcastic response noted. Moar DPS and Playing Better are not synonymous. The PLD that insists on MT-ing everything in sword oath to push out "moar dps" comes to mind. I've seen this so many times. Healers dps less to heal the PLD more, BRD or BLM take aggro and boss gets spun around and melee lose positionals. PLD insists his/her way is better because of his/her dps increase.

[dragonseth07]

Sarcastic response noted. Moar DPS and Playing Better are not synonymous. The PLD that insists on MT-ing everything in sword oath to push out "moar dps" comes to mind. I've seen this so many times. Healers dps less to heal the PLD more, BRD or BLM take aggro and boss gets spun around and melee lose positionals. PLD insists his/her way is better because of his/her dps increase.

The best raid statics in the world use DPS stances after pushing enmity. They do it for a very good reason.

[Spiroglyph]

What's wrong with being concerned with DPS in farm groups?

I'll admit I rarely do ex primals and savage content myself, but my understanding is that in a farm group everyone is expected todish out their best performance with the objective of clearing the instance in as little time as possible with few incidents...

Plus "farm group" implies a multiple amount of runs - while yeah, it might be 2 or 3 minutes EACH run it all piles up after a while and it's less runs you're doing, right? :/

[Kosmos992k]

I'm sorry that the "Play Better" meta is prevalent. The "Play Worse" meta is way more fun.

"MOAR DPS" <> "play better" - unless you are a damage dealer.

Read what I wrote instead of picking a single point and trying to score points. For me, the reason I chose to be PLD was not so that I could try to min max my DPS, it was so I could be a defensive wall protecting the party.

Many (if not most) healers play healer not to min/max for DPS, but to heal and keep the party alive.

Those are the roles for a tank and a healer. Damage dealers started playing DD because they like to see big numbers and things dying quickly, they do (or should) focus on min/maxing for optimum DPS.

I'm not suggesting that healers and tanks have nothing to contribute, but let's be honest, it's not their role. In a farm group, as I said, I agree that if you join a farm group, then DPS is expected to be high since that's the point of farming content. Obviously high DPS, = skipped phase(s) = quicker kills = more runs per hour = more drops.

But, that doesn't mean that the "MOAR DPS" meta needs to be shoved down players throats outside of the end-game (including farming groups) environment.

But to address the implication of your post, MOAR DPS isn't "play better" since it can often lead to standing in stupid. "Play worse" has nothing to do with anything I said, nor did what I said translate to or endorse 'playing worse'.

Now, before anyone posts the math that says that by focusing on DPS things die quicker which translates to less incoming damage during the fight, etc.... yeah, I know. So let's all roll damage dealers instead shall we? Oh wait, I don't want to play a damage dealer, I want to tank, or heal.

Your post is a great example of how prevalent "MOAR DPS" has become and how damaging it is. The logical extension of your point is simple, if you focus on your role instead of DPS, you're playing worse - making DPS the only measure of skill or worth in the game. That's pretty crap actually, If I wanted to play a completely mindless button masher focusing on damage rather than my role, I wouldn't be playing this.

[Ghishlain]

Sarcastic response noted. Moar DPS and Playing Better are not synonymous. The PLD that insists on MT-ing everything in sword oath to push out "moar dps" comes to mind. I've seen this so many times. Healers dps less to heal the PLD more, BRD or BLM take aggro and boss gets spun around and melee lose positionals. PLD insists his/her way is better because of his/her dps increase.

It's sad that there are so many sheep that see pros do certain things and go "I MUST REPLICATE" without understanding WHY certain things are done in certain ways.


Full time Sword Oath MTing PLD is completely possible and the PLD I have in my static for Alex does it for 3/4 of the raid tier (goes DRK for A12s).

I think I'll interject my own comment here regarding "Play Better" meta. The "Play Better" meta normally nets a gain in party DPS, but not necessarily individual DPS. DPS is both a solo statistic and a party-wide statistics and doing certain things in certain ways will net a higher gain in party DPS at a small potential cost of personal DPS.

Also, "Playing Better" will vary from group to group and change dramatically with PuGs too. IE I was running EXDR in 3.4 as MCH and got into Gubal HM. I had a WAR who literally pulled in Deliverance without a NIN and after my Wildfire went off I pulled hate. I guess he was just used to really poor DPS in most EX runs, lol. However, without speaking a word to each other he then changed his opener on the next two bosses so he was in Defiance for initial hate and I adjusted where I put my Quelling Strikes so I wouldn't risk pulling hate and no issues were had even after he made the swap back to Deliverance.

@OP Topic

Everyone is entitled to do what they want. If someone feels a group isn't performing to their expectations, they're allowed to leave, it's not like they're breaking any agreement with you unless you somehow stated "stay for three clears to get a feel" or something to that effect. It's a nuisance that's exacerbated into aggravation if they leave with a toxic comment but your opening post certainly doesn't convey any empathy or understanding on your part either.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

The best raid statics in the world use DPS stances after pushing enmity. They do it for a very good reason.

It's almost like you completely disregarded everything I said about one person insisting their personal dps gain is more important then everyone else's ability to dps optimally. I think it's fantastic that the best raid groups do stuff like that. I think they should. I don't think average players should expect to be able to do that without any hitches in content that was designed with a more relaxed approach. The OP is right insomuch that if a person wants high DPS speed clears of content then it is incumbent upon THEM to form said group. Not join a group and then complain.