DPS obsession in farm groups

[Cordie]

How are you being disrespected, you are being rewarded /as good/ as raiders for /a quarter of the effort/ over /a longer time/. You're not disrespected, you're spoilt and experiencing a tantrum, there's a difference here.

replace a "quarter of the effort" with a "quarter of the content" to be more precise. Multiply this by 8 patches in a row, and you will get that utmost respect..

Raiding is grinding as well, you spend weeks or months on a fight, that's not instant gratification so I recommend you open a dictionary before spewing nonsense.

Learning is your problem. The design is still an instant gratification one.

And when people jump into the right boxes by themselves I am too kind to get them redistributed.

[VeliusVire]

Raiders get 4 fights per 6 months, that's less than 1% of content catered to Raiders. All else is Casual/Crafting/Gathering/Literally everything else, so either you're bad at math, or you're bad at math. Your argument is making little to no sense and I think I know why: You don't like the content being implemented because it doesn't cater to you, you're probably not a skilled raider, you're probably not a end-game Crafter/Gatherer, so you're at a loss that if you're not good at anything, then the design must be flawed because you're unable to do any of these and have fun with it. Relics/Roulettes are instant-gratification because you don't even have to try to get them done, Raiding/Crafting/Gathering, you have to try, thus being a Grind of their own right, just a grind you're inept at doing. I digress, the content will not change, the playerbase enjoys it and you're just a voice that's getting drowned out because you're not even sure what you want, adieu to you.

[Cordie]

Raiders get 4 fights per 6 months ...

Grinders get 2 expert roulette dungeons. Oh wait: 2 carbon-copies of previous instances.

It's not an argument - it's an observation. A well validated one for 2 years.
I'll skip on the next part as you have seen an "argument" somewhere(?) and attempted to invalidate it too(!) with personal attacks.

If you are getting a bit too touchy with the "instant gratification", well it's not bad. I mean, yes, it may point to a certain attention-related condition which is quite widespread, but besides that there is no causative link, so don't get salty if your preferred content is actually designed around instant gratification :3

btw, the playerbase is changing too, as in enjoy-the-hacks in PvP/raids.

As for what I want I have expressed it very clearly, the problem beeing adhd raiders don't take it very well if resources are to be directed towards time-consuming grinding (hence the saltiness in some posts).

Anyways, enough with derailing the thread.

[AmeliaVerves]

instant gratification

How can savage be an instant gratification anyways when it comes to loot? ._.

I am running A9s-A11s for 4 months now every week, so its 3 runs per week, ~4 weeks a month, for 4 months = ~48 runs with loot possible.
And I got... what... about 15 pieces of loot, including upgrade items, not really instant if you ask me. q.q

[Baalfrog]

So I'd like to point a thing that hasnt been said in the thread yet. See, high raid DPS is good in farm parties, because (like many many people have said so earlier) it makes fights faster, thus more clears in same amount of time, which in turn gives more chances for that desired piece of loot. Its a positive feedback loop in a way.

The other thing that people haven't probably thought about is the safety aspect. Safety? What in the blazes are you on about? Well, let me tell you. Because high raid DPS allows skipping of mechanics, it should always be a goal, because it pretty much makes a potential threat into a non-threat. There are many, many cases, some being severe, some just being kinda there, but let me list a few. Nidhogg EX, skipping towers, potential wipe if someone screws up, Alexander 11 (both savage and normal mode) Lapis skip, again potential wipe if someone makes a mistake (more so on savage, but normal mode is also listed because it can be done, and you know, DF...), Zurvan EX and first soar (oh boy, this thing again), skip it and BAM zero risk of wipe from a mechanic that is a wipe threat. I know im talking potentials here, but laws of math say, if something can happen, it will happen, eventually. So eventually if you merrily beat your way into Zurvan EX for example, your group performs soar and you go on, you will eventually wipe to it. Groups that skip it on the other hand never have to worry about it, and can keep on piling up the high raid DPS to skip the next mechanic that is skippable and so on and so on. A11S is a treasure trove for this, you can literally skip so many things that the fight, like whirlwinds, optical sights, plasma shields and all the good stuff, all of which are potential wipes that you don't have to worry about. There is zero downside to having or wanting high raid DPS in a farm team.

On the other hand, I do not condone harrassment, even if I am an advocate of high DPS. But, if you are given constructive critisism, take it well, don't get offended by it. It takes skill to give good critisism, but it also takes skill to take it.

[Lovescake]

Party Finders first time to actually skip mechanics. what kind of PFs did you expect when all other contet they never skipped anything

[Alysanne]

It gets even better when you look up OP's name at a "certain website".

I'll admit I did that first thing and got a good laugh.