Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Brian_]

This is gold. Okay, so how would you expect a casual player who has 2-3 hours maybe a day to play to find enough time to cater to everyones "time"? I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party. I am not even through my 2nd month into the game so yes, im sorry I dont have every gear piece and accesory and character lvl 60 or upgraded to the 3.4 content. Im sorry if that makes your dungeon run last longer. I should have thought about your time before entering the dungeon. This isnt rocket science. Im not dating you. Why make it so complicated? If a dungeon unlocked for me and i met the gear lvl requirements why am i at fault?

The only thing that's gold is how aloof and self-entitled you are.

You do realize that they also pay their own subscription fees, right? So again, why do you get to play the way you want to but they don't? Why are you entitled to a respect you aren't giving others?

You're right, this isn't rocket science. If 3 people don't want to carry you, then they don't have to. You don't get to tell 3 other people what to do because you pay a sub or are a new player.

If 3 people do want to carry you, then that's great for you. But, that's a decision they made for themselves. Not one that you can make for them.

[DuskTS]

The issue isn't that you were doing low dps, because clearly the other people in your party were doing just as little if they can't carry one guy through Sohr Kai, it's that you pointed this out to the rest of the group "i'm new pls kick me!".
I mean that's like sneaking into a farm party to get your clear then telling everyone you're the bonus.

[Rita1989]

if you are not able to carry the newbie dps than i am sorry to say but your are not a better player than the newbie...
no matter how many newbies in your group, if you are a good player you should be able to carry dps for everyone.

regards hobbit

You can only do this to a degree though if I am putting up 2200 dps and the other dps is at 500 and the healer is not dpsing and the tank is a turtle Palidan the dungeon is gonna tank a long time regardless.

[Pure3ify]

The only thing is gold is how aloof and self-entitled you are.

You do realize that they also pay their own subscription fees, right? So again, why do you get to play the way you want to but they don't? Why are you entitled to a respect you aren't giving others?

You're right, this isn't rocket science. If 3 people don't want to carry you, then they don't have to. You don't get to tell 3 other people what to do because you pay a sub or are a new player.

If 3 people do want to carry you, then that's great for you. But, that's a decision they made for themselves. Not one that you can make for them.

So let me get this straight. I play this game for the entitlement of others? I am looked down upon because I only met the min requirements for that specific dungeon or trial? So in the future instead of wanting to play more content with the few hours a day i get i should just get the best of what I can before continuing?

[Sylve]

Well the did end up using that argument just now..

Well... Technically, Shes still not wrong. Everyone paying the sub is on an equal playing field.
If someone doesn't want to help a lesser geared player who was randomly matched to their party, that person could leave the run, rather than the lesser geared player who needs to complete that content.
If people want speedruns, use the party finder, its what its for. Let the DF be used by people willing to help other players.
The problem isn't that she wasn't doing something the rest of the party wanted her to do (AKA contributing no DPS as a healer etc). The case she cited in her OP stated it was low dps that got her kicked. Low dps as a function of lower average ilvl.

I still refuse to accept people kicking others for not being overgeared for the duty they're in. Which is what appears to be have been the case for the OP. What the hell is wrong with taking a few extra minutes to help out a fellow paying customer?

[Pure3ify]

The issue isn't that you were doing low dps, because clearly the other people in your party were doing just as little if they can't carry one guy through Sohr Kai, it's that you pointed this out to the rest of the group "i'm new pls kick me!".
I mean that's like sneaking into a farm party to get your clear then telling everyone you're the bonus.

Its not like i can hide being new lol it tells you in the beginning of a specific instance that a new player is there. I just always found it good to let everyone know. But to also state that i understand the mechanics so if im told something role wise to do I will do it.

[BlackCross]

I find it extremely sad to what lengths people here go to defend bad mentors. "Oh no, a duty MIGHT take 5 minutes longer?! Obviously, the new player expects a carry! Kick is justified! Who needs to give tips or help, we can't be expected to waste those 5 minutes!"

I'm sure those are also the guys who leave after one wipe, even though a boss was at 5% and duty could probably be cleared after a second try.

Please, some people in this thread really shouldn't become mentors. If you want all players to perform 100% (and kick those that don't), feel free to do so, but don't become mentors, because I don't think you know what being a mentor means.

(Also, just for the record mentors don't have to bear EVERYTHING, if someone is not taking advise and being rude about it, or is just auto attacking and actually expecting a carry, then yes, kick them, but if someone is trying their best, you kick them just because their ilevel is low or they are missing 2 abilities? Shame on you)

[Driavna]

Mentors should not kick anyone without giving out some advice first, but also you should be doing everything you can to max your DPS, meaning having all mandatory cross class skills for your job. Yeah I agree, current system sucks because can force players to play something they don't find enjoyable but till 4.0 is what we have.

With 2 hours a day or so could take around 4 or 5 five days to reach level 34 perhaps?

[MeridaQ]

Okay a couple things. First sorry OP they should not have kicked you. Two thanks to those giving advice.

Now for everyone else, if you are kicking someone for being undergeared or missing a couple crossclassss in story content. You should take a step back. At no point in this could we actually judge who is at fault in the low dps. Therefore assuming it is the OP is presumptuous at best. Also if having low dps is a good reason to kick then yes you are being elitest. If you qued for a dungeon that is making a choice to spend the next 15-1hr. If you don't have time don't que.

[Venoshock]

I find it extremely sad to what lengths people here go to defend bad mentors. "Oh no, a duty MIGHT take 5 minutes longer?! Obviously, the new player expects a carry! Kick is justified! Who needs to give tips or help, we can't be expected to waste those 5 minutes!"

I'm sure those are also the guys who leave after one wipe, even though a boss was at 5% and duty could probably be cleared after a second try.

Please, some people in this thread really shouldn't become mentors. If you want all players to perform 100% (and kick those that don't), feel free to do so, but don't become mentors...

Except nobody is defending that mentor kicking OP without actually mentoring first. What people are saying is OP cannot be surprised they were kicked if they don't have the near mandatory cross classes and adequate gear regardless of whether the person who initiated the vote kick was a mentor.

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