Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Brian_]

This is gold. Okay, so how would you expect a casual player who has 2-3 hours maybe a day to play to find enough time to cater to everyones "time"? I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party. I am not even through my 2nd month into the game so yes, im sorry I dont have every gear piece and accesory and character lvl 60 or upgraded to the 3.4 content. Im sorry if that makes your dungeon run last longer. I should have thought about your time before entering the dungeon. This isnt rocket science. Im not dating you. Why make it so complicated? If a dungeon unlocked for me and i met the gear lvl requirements why am i at fault?

The only thing that's gold is how aloof and self-entitled you are.

You do realize that they also pay their own subscription fees, right? So again, why do you get to play the way you want to but they don't? Why are you entitled to a respect you aren't giving others?

You're right, this isn't rocket science. If 3 people don't want to carry you, then they don't have to. You don't get to tell 3 other people what to do because you pay a sub or are a new player.

If 3 people do want to carry you, then that's great for you. But, that's a decision they made for themselves. Not one that you can make for them.

[Pure3ify]

The only thing is gold is how aloof and self-entitled you are.

You do realize that they also pay their own subscription fees, right? So again, why do you get to play the way you want to but they don't? Why are you entitled to a respect you aren't giving others?

You're right, this isn't rocket science. If 3 people don't want to carry you, then they don't have to. You don't get to tell 3 other people what to do because you pay a sub or are a new player.

If 3 people do want to carry you, then that's great for you. But, that's a decision they made for themselves. Not one that you can make for them.

So let me get this straight. I play this game for the entitlement of others? I am looked down upon because I only met the min requirements for that specific dungeon or trial? So in the future instead of wanting to play more content with the few hours a day i get i should just get the best of what I can before continuing?

[Brian_]

So let me get this straight. I play this game for the entitlement of others? I am looked down upon because I only met the min requirements for that specific dungeon or trial? So in the future instead of wanting to play more content with the few hours a day i get i should just get the best of what I can before continuing?

I am saying that you need to understand that there are 3 other real-life people in a 4-man group. You are 1/4th of the team and that's all you are. All you've done in this topic is talk about your situation, about how you feel wronged, about what you deserve.

What you should be thinking about is not what you want, but what you all are. In this case, you all want to clear the dungeon.

I play on a JP data center. An apt summary of the difference between NA and JP is that on a NA server, people think about how the group is holding them back. On JP servers, people think about how they're holding the group back.

All you've done this topic is talk about how getting kicked from that group hurt your gaming experience. All you've done is talk about how that group prevented you from doing the story. Where is the self reflection? All I hear are excuses. When people tell you how the 3 other people might've felt, all you've done is dismiss that perspective with ridiculous garbage like "I pay my sub."

I can assure you that if you had done more to be prepared for Sohr Khai, then no one would think about kicking you. You mention the minimums but seriously, if I had a kid and they came home from school with straight Ds and told me it was okay because they met the minimums, I wouldn't throw them a celebration. I would throw them into a jail cell with nothing but a teacher and textbook.

[Pure3ify]

I can assure you that if you had done more to be prepared for Sohr Khai, then no one would think about kicking you. You mention the minimums but seriously, if I had a kid and they came home from school with straight Ds and told me it was okay because they met the minimums, I wouldn't throw them a celebration. I would throw them into a jail cell with nothing but a teacher and textbook.

Im glad you havent left because for 1 I really like your perspective on things but 2 how wrong you are. Stating what did happen to me was wrong. I wasnt overgeared yes. I didnt invest in raising the lvl of other classes for CC yes. But seeing as I wasnt toxic, said hello and stated i was new with knowledge of the mechanics AND meeting the ilevel requirements means i possessed the abilities to clear that instance. No other way around it you cant tell me im wrong. THAT is my issue. Not your parenting advice.

[Brian_]

Im glad you havent left because for 1 I really like your perspective on things but 2 how wrong you are. Stating what did happen to me was wrong. I wasnt overgeared yes. I didnt invest in raising the lvl of other classes for CC yes. But seeing as I wasnt toxic, said hello and stated i was new with knowledge of the mechanics AND meeting the ilevel requirements means i possessed the abilities to clear that instance. No other way around it you cant tell me im wrong. THAT is my issue. Not your parenting advice.

Again, all you mention is your own opinion, your own standards, your own perception of what is okay.

By your standards, you might've been able to clear that dungeon.

By the standards of 3 other people, you weren't helping enough.

But in this entire topic, you haven't given two craps about helping the group more so I don't expect you to start thinking about that now.

[Deithwen]

Im glad you havent left because for 1 I really like your perspective on things but 2 how wrong you are. Stating what did happen to me was wrong. I wasnt overgeared yes. I didnt invest in raising the lvl of other classes for CC yes. But seeing as I wasnt toxic, said hello and stated i was new with knowledge of the mechanics AND meeting the ilevel requirements means i possessed the abilities to clear that instance. No other way around it you cant tell me im wrong. THAT is my issue. Not your parenting advice.

You cheated the Ilv requirements by equiping Vit gear instead of Dex gear. Not only that but you don't even have the mandatory cross class skills for a DPS, not even invigorate.
I also suspect that you have no clue about your rotation, hiding behind the excuse of "being new". Well at this level and playtime I'm affraid you can't really use that excuse anymore.
I would have kicked you as well, but I would have explained it to you why though.

[Sylve]

I can assure you that if you had done more to be prepared for Sohr Khai, then no one would think about kicking you. You mention the minimums but seriously, if I had a kid and they came home from school with straight Ds and told me it was okay because they met the minimums, I wouldn't throw them a celebration. I would throw them into a jail cell with nothing but a teacher and textbook.

Done more to prepare for it? Do you mean you want them running instances below their current ilvl that give barely any Lore for days on end so that they can overgear a duty so that YOU can get through it 5 minutes faster?

The process in XIV is bloody simple.

You get the minimum ilvl for a duty.
You run that duty over and over until you have the gear from it and enough currency to get better gear.
Once you have the minimum ilvl for the next duty, you move to that and repeat the process.

The OP Met the minimum ilvl. Attempted to run the duty and was kicked.
How in the hell do you expect this player to get better gear if they are literally being blocked from doing the content that will allow them to get better gear?

[Brian_]

Done more to prepare for it? Do you mean you want them running instances below their current ilvl that give barely any Lore for days on end so that they can overgear a duty so that YOU can get through it 5 minutes faster?

The process in XIV is bloody simple.

You get the minimum ilvl for a duty.
You run that duty over and over until you have the gear from it and enough currency to get better gear.
Once you have the minimum ilvl for the next duty, you move to that and repeat the process.

The OP Met the minimum ilvl. Attempted to run the duty and was kicked.
How in the hell do you expect this player to get better gear if they are literally being blocked from doing the content that will allow them to get better gear?

ARF gives more lore than anything else. And, the TC isn't cheating his way to over the minimum ilevel for that and the sync would make his gear less of an issue.

Hunts are also the most efficient means of gearing up at the moment and nobody is going to kick you from a hunt group because of your gear. Hell, the TC would even get scriptures from that.

For Christ's sake, any type of PvP is synced so TC's gear wouldn't be an issue and you can grind out multiple pieces of i235 gear in an hour. What's even funnier is that people might actually praise him for wearing fending accessories. The TC could even work towards his garo mount while getting that gear.

Give me the TC's character for 2 hours and I will give you back an i240 character without just raiding the MB. If you asked here or elsewhere for advice instead of wasting your time on a garbage topic like this one, maybe people would've been able to tell you how to gear quickly. In the time TC took defending his nonsense, he could be 20 ilevels higher. But, like I've pointed out already, this is his mindset. Blame others, play the victim, ignore your role and the importance of self responsibility and self improvement.

Getting gear in this game is so incredibly easy that the lack of gear is just a sign that you don't care. Is that fine? Sure. But you not caring doesn't mean that the 3 other people on your team shouldn't.

[Mithrahn]

First things first, sorry, only read til Page 11.

Now my reply:

Done more to prepare for it? Do you mean you want them running instances below their current ilvl that give barely any Lore for days on end so that they can overgear a duty so that YOU can get through it 5 minutes faster?

The process in XIV is bloody simple.

You get the minimum ilvl for a duty.
You run that duty over and over until you have the gear from it and enough currency to get better gear.
Once you have the minimum ilvl for the next duty, you move to that and repeat the process.

The OP Met the minimum ilvl. Attempted to run the duty and was kicked.
How in the hell do you expect this player to get better gear if they are literally being blocked from doing the content that will allow them to get better gear?

My Avg.iLvl is 223 on my NIN and 230 on my SCH. My latest Duty Finder dungeon is The Aetherochemical Research Facility and latest trial is The Singularity Reactor. I have not done anything past that, no Sohr Khai or whatever. How did I gear up?
Please, people who don't want to try will always have excuses. People who wants to rise to the challenge/rise up/whatever will always try harder.
It's the mindset. There is no 'impossible' if you have the will.

On that note, I'll answer my own question of "How did I gear up?"
I took the Foundation daily hunts for Centurio seals and used those said seals for gears. I crafted my own i220. I also geared up with PvP garo gears later on (though i'm unlikely to use this for 3.x PvE content)

Oh yeah, to repeat myself, my latest content done is still only the 3.0 main story end dungeon, nothing past 3.0++ patches, I did do Diadem a little but I did not use anything i obtained from there. I did do Palace of the Dead but only till floor 30, not enough to get the i235 and/or i255 weapons. I also did my anima but it's only up to the third phase right now.

So, if I can gear up to avg ilvl 230 without getting any further than Aetherochemical Research Facility NM, why is it so hard for other people to do so?

(Edit: Oh, and I also did Alexander - The Fist of the Father, but really, that was only once, which was also after I geared up with those Centurio Seals, and I didn't claim any loot from it)

[SmallHobbit]

I can assure you that if you had done more to be prepared for Sohr Khai, then no one would think about kicking you. You mention the minimums but seriously, if I had a kid and they came home from school with straight Ds and told me it was okay because they met the minimums, I wouldn't throw them a celebration. I would throw them into a jail cell with nothing but a teacher and textbook.

this is a game not homeWORK! ppl play it for relaxing and enjoy the gaming time, dont make hard WORK out of it.
if you want do it make work out of it please make it only for your self, if you dont like the ppl you get via DF, run the stuff with your friends or you can play the game alone soon.
and please dont tell me when new content comes out you are wait until a guide comes out xD i am pretty sure you just run it right away one hour after release and you are also have no clue about the new content and you dont care about.
SO WHY THE HELL YOU EXPECT other ppl to watch guide for old dungeons? to watch guide for dungeons it sounds like a bad joke for me xD no idea how ppl even think about stuff like this just ridiculous.
as long tanks and healers not wearing DEX gear to reach the min. ilvl (like left side full ilvl 130 and right side ilvl 270 DEX gear xD) for the content everything is fine and no reason for a kick.

regards hobbit