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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynd View Post
    I agree with harder and more interesting raids but i dont want healers to heal all time because they're " Healers so dey heal lel". I'm very interested in dpsing as a healer, i would really be sad if i couldn't anymore...
    Why on earth would you not want healers to perform their primary function? Summoner is always an option for you if you find dot upkeep fascinating.

    For what it's worth, DPS always WILL be an option for the true paragons of the healer role - it is in virtually every other MMO I've played. I think many of us would just like the extreme focus on it toned down considerably, not outright removed. Even Mythic raid healers in WoW still keep their dots up on bosses and stuff - they just overall spend more time healing than DPSing, and this holds true for all echelons of content, not just the hardest content in the game.

    That's more what I would like to see, rather than a situation like PVP where healers can't contribute offensively at ALL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    Why on earth would you not want healers to perform their primary function? Summoner is always an option for you if you find dot upkeep fascinating.

    For what it's worth, DPS always WILL be an option for the true paragons of the healer role - it is in virtually every other MMO I've played. I think many of us would just like the extreme focus on it toned down considerably, not outright removed. Even Mythic raid healers in WoW still keep their dots up on bosses and stuff - they just overall spend more time healing than DPSing, and this holds true for all echelons of content, not just the hardest content in the game.

    That's more what I would like to see, rather than a situation like PVP where healers can't contribute offensively at ALL.
    I didn't say i dont want to heal, but I like the idea of being an offensive healer. Mostly since i share the same base as smn do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynd View Post
    I didn't say i dont want to heal, but I like the idea of being an offensive healer. Mostly since i share the same base as smn do.
    It only means, that the fights in the game are lack of HPS check and other things, that require the healers attention. Would be nice, if healers will only do they jobs and simple- have no time for DPS, because the group will be always in dunger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyno View Post
    It only means, that the fights in the game are lack of HPS check and other things, that require the healers attention. Would be nice, if healers will only do they jobs and simple- have no time for DPS, because the group will be always in dunger
    I really don't see what's interesting in this. I think being able to dps and heal requires way more skills
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynd View Post
    I really don't see what's interesting in this. I think being able to dps and heal requires way more skills
    I respectfully disagree. I think our current healer DPS meta was BORN as a result of healing in this game being too overpowered and easy to learn. I think this is why we've started to see a recent upswing in requests like the one on page 1 - "make raids more about mitigation/tank swapping/positioning/add pickup and actual cleansable debuffs/more shielding/higher HPS checks". (Aka, let tanks tank and healers heal.)

    I think that people are starting to realize that healer DPS is less about skill, and more about the role simply being too boring and unengaging without it. (If it truly required "skill", IMO, it wouldn't be touted as pretty much necessary from all healers at all level of content in the game.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
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    As it stands now, making mitigation/healing checks harder would pretty much exclude a lot more people from savage raids. You should understand that there are plenty of tanks staying in tank stance all the time but mitigating suboptimally compared to the good tanks who doesn't even pop tank stance. Similarly with healers, there are healers who don't dps yet still do subpar healing/mitigation and only play reactively (sees damage > starts casting heals). If you increase the healing/mitigation checks in raids such that even the good players have to focus a lot on their defensive tools, you'll make the raid inaccessible to a huge amount of players who cleared creator savage. Whether making the difficult raids inaccessible to a lot of people is a good thing or not, I'll leave it to the devs to decide.

    Also I noticed that people are also asking for less scripted fights, but I wonder if they actually did some of the past raids with a bit more rng mechanics like a3s or a8s. Iirc players generally didn't like a3s' rng mechanics.
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