Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[ErryK]

I'm for unlocking the hempen set. I would, however, like to see some new outfits designed for each race though and possibly make them obtainable through race based quests that add more to the lore of each race and ethnicity and how their ways of life and cultures are affected by the events of the story.

This is absolutely something I can get behind.

[Adire]

I'm for unlocking the hempen set. I would, however, like to see some new outfits designed for each race though and possibly make them obtainable through race based quests that add more to the lore of each race and ethnicity and how their ways of life and cultures are affected by the events of the story.

Then people would want those unlocked for every race eventually too.

Better off just doing away with race specific gear in my opinion.

[Galaktica]

I'm for unlocking the hempen set. I would, however, like to see some new outfits designed for each race though and possibly make them obtainable through race based quests that add more to the lore of each race and ethnicity and how their ways of life and cultures are affected by the events of the story.

This. A million times this. It kinda really sucks that we don't get a glimpse of of any of those cultures (aside from maybe miqo'te in Thanalan, I guess?).

Ya know, I kinda think that's partly why people want to keep the hempen/starter sets locked. Stick with me here because I'm about to go on some serious tangents. I hate comparing this game to WoW, but well...I'm going to. Say what you will, but at least you get a pretty good glimpse into the culture of each and every one of those races. Granted, race in WoW plays a much larger part than in FFXIV for reasons I won't get into, but either way, it's a wonderful piece of world-building.

In FFXIV, race sorta literally never matters. They don't want to add villages and/or cities for each race? Fine, but like race never even comes up. For example, one would assume that is anyone other than an elezen stepped foot in Ishgard, some of those people would be freaking the **** out.

"What is this tiny little potato-like creature?"
"Who are these glorious, giant beautiful Amazonian women towering over us? And why are the men so large and round?"
"Omg that thing has cat ears and a tail?"
"Omg that thing has dragon horns and a tail! KILL IT!!!"

But there's like none of that. Even every Elezen PC is treated as an outsider when one would expect them to maybe confuse a Wildwood Elezen as one of their own every now and then, but nope. You just show up in this place that has cut itself off from the rest of the continent, but the way they react, or rather the way that they don't, would make it seem like all these races have always been a common sight around Ishgard.

You don't even really learn about any race's culture during quests or just talking to random NPCs. There's no Roegadyn or Lalafel who practice traditions handed to them from their homeland. They don't have their own unique gods. Everyone does all the same s*** and acts all the same way.

Now, I'm not saying the hempen/starter sets are some genius, magical piece of world-building, but they offer us a glimpse, even if it's the tiniest of tiny glimpses, into the different cultures of each race. If nothing else, we at least get some idea of how they may dress back home. And I think that's why people are ultimately in favor of keeping the sets locked. It's not the best or even good world-building, but at least it's something. And I think some people want to hold onto that at all costs.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Me too! They should consider loyal customers also. Not just the majority.

Uh, define Loyal customer...

If it's subscription based, I've been subscribed quite a while.
1,260 days subbed, veteran rank 13, 180 till the final vet reward and my sub comes up in a couple months.


I am absolutely for unlocking glamor options for all races and genders.

[Fawkes]

In FFXIV, race sorta literally never matters. They don't want to add villages and/or cities for each race? Fine, but like race never even comes up.

I think that's the point. That is their world building. They built a world where race doesn't really matter. They didn't have each race have it's own starter city like WoW because that isn't the world they wanted to build. It's more like if the world of FFXI had progressed another thousand years or so, maybe races used to have some ties to a specific area, and some of them segregated themselves and maintained that, but it's not the way things are overall. And dressing like your race in that world makes as much sense as if you showed up to work tomorrow in Victorian garb.

Now, I'm not saying the hempen/starter sets are some genius, magical piece of world-building, but they offer us a glimpse, even if it's the tiniest of tiny glimpses, into the different cultures of each race. If nothing else, we at least get some idea of how they may dress back home. And I think that's why people are ultimately in favor of keeping the sets locked. It's not the best or even good world-building, but at least it's something. And I think some people want to hold onto that at all costs.

There is no "back home". There aren't a bunch of NPCs walking around in hempen or starter gear. Those clothes have no cultural significance in the world. If people want to hold on to it for those reasons then they are misguided.

[Magic-Mal]

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Piece by piece I will show that this is wrong

In FFXIV, race sorta literally never matters. They don't want to add villages and/or cities for each race? Fine, but like race never even comes up. For example, one would assume that is anyone other than an elezen stepped foot in Ishgard, some of those people would be freaking the **** out.

Both Elezen and Hyur reside in Ishgard. When outsiders even came near their territory they got upset.

"What is this tiny little potato-like creature?"
"Who are these glorious, giant beautiful Amazonian women towering over us? And why are the men so large and round?"
"Omg that thing has cat ears and a tail?"

Maybe they did that when they first saw them thousands of years ago. We're in present day. They know what a Lalafell, a Miqo'te, and a Roegadyn is.

"Omg that thing has dragon horns and a tail! KILL IT!!!"

Actually the Ishgardians did exactly that. And we're killing Au Ra. Do the DRK(?) story to get that lore

But there's like none of that. Even every Elezen PC is treated as an outsider when one would expect them to maybe confuse a Wildwood Elezen as one of their own every now and then, but nope. You just show up in this place that has cut itself off from the rest of the continent, but the way they react, or rather the way that they don't, would make it seem like all these races have always been a common sight around Ishgard.

Because Ishgard does not welcome Eorzean Alliance outsiders. That includes us. They don't care if someone is an Elezen. See The Brume. The story needs to be the same. Unless you expect the Devs to make a story for every race, gender and clan(24 stories). Not only that, if you did the side quests in HW, you'd know for example that the Sunseeker in Tailfeather mentions how she's the only Miqo'te around.

You don't even really learn about any race's culture during quests or just talking to random NPCs. There's no Roegadyn or Lalafel who practice traditions handed to them from their homeland.

If you do the quests in the game you'd learn things about races. Like Hellsguard traditions with Warriors and Scholars. Lalafells and Mhach, Belah'dia, Ul'dah, Sil'dahn, Nym. Miqo'tes and Meracydia, etc.

They don't have their own unique gods.

False. Highlanders worship Rhalgr
Keepers worship Menphina
Lalafells worship Nald'Thal
Seawolf Roegadyn worship Llymaen(or whatever it's called)
The entire Ishgardian society worships Halone.
Wildwood Gridanians and Gridanians in general, worship Nyemia(?) And the Elementals.

etc

Everyone does all the same s*** and acts all the same way.

Last I checked White guy and Asian guy down the street act the same as Hispanic guy up the street. But White guy in the neighborhood 50mi away acts completely different.

Commander Rhiki acts exactly like Y'shtola for sure.

Now, I'm not saying the hempen/starter sets are some genius, magical piece of world-building, but they offer us a glimpse, even if it's the tiniest of tiny glimpses, into the different cultures of each race.

Not even a glimpse. It's a shirt and panties/underwear. With absolutely no culture attached.

If nothing else, we at least get some idea of how they may dress back home.

Dunno about you but when I went to the Miqo'te tribe in Forgotten Springs I didn't see not one Miqo'te in there wearing racial gear. No hempen camise in sight. I don't see any Roes with their gear. The only characters with hempen camises are Rowena's employees and they have no identity.

I learned alot by visiting Forgotten Springs for sure. I learned that even they don't wear this so-called racial gear. I learned alot by visiting the Coeurlclaw camp too. They also don't wear anything like this racial stuff.

And Highlanders wear their clothes in Little Ala Mhigo because they are poor. They have nothing else.

And I think that's why people are ultimately in favor of keeping the sets locked. It's not the best or even good world-building, but at least it's something. And I think some people want to hold onto that at all costs.

You mean the...12..15 people who want it locked?(Only one actually wears their gear 24/7) Out of the like.. 400 people saying "unlock please?"

[Galaktica]

Piece by piece I will show that this is wrong

Both Elezen and Hyur reside in Ishgard. When outsiders even came near their territory they got upset.

Oh my bad, 1 out of the remaining 4 races.

Maybe they did that when they first saw them thousands of years ago. We're in present day. They know what a Lalafell, a Miqo'te, and a Roegadyn is.

This statement direcctly contradicts this one you make:

Because Ishgard does not welcome Eorzean Alliance outsiders. That includes us.

Okay, so they don't welcome outsides...but yet seeing them run around the city isn't the least bit shocking? Also, you interact with Ishgardians of every standing. It's relatively safe to assume the vast majority of Ishgardians have never left Ishgardian territory so chances of them running into anyone other than Elezen and Hyur would be astronomically low. You mean to tell me some lowborn slaving away in the brune or some Highborn sitting in their lofty mansion runs into Roegadyn all the time?

They don't care if someone is an Elezen. See The Brume. The story needs to be the same. Unless you expect the Devs to make a story for every race, gender and clan(24 stories). Not only that, if you did the side quests in HW, you'd know for example that the Sunseeker in Tailfeather mentions how she's the only Miqo'te around.

I never said I expected them to make a story for each race and, frankly, I'm not sure where you got that idea. A simple throwaway line every now wouldn't hurt though. i.e. if player = lala, then dialogue = "Don't see many of your kind around here. I reckon a dragon would love to snack on a few of you! HA, I jest!" and so on and so forth.

Actually the Ishgardians did exactly that. And we're killing Au Ra. Do the DRK(?) story to get that lore

Well then that's my mistake, though I think such information would be infinitely more relevant in the MSQ during the time when the Au Ra are first immigrating into Eorzea.

If you do the quests in the game you'd learn things about races. Like Hellsguard traditions with Warriors and Scholars. Lalafells and Mhach, Belah'dia, Ul'dah, Sil'dahn, Nym. Miqo'tes and Meracydia, etc.

Citation needed if you don't mind. Except for the Lalafel/Nym thing. That one I'm aware of. Again though, I feel like that only further supports my point as like no one seems to care about Nym except the Lala SCH. What happened in between then and now?

False. Highlanders worship Rhalgr
Keepers worship Menphina
Lalafells worship Nald'Thal
Seawolf Roegadyn worship Llymaen(or whatever it's called)
The entire Ishgardian society worships Halone.
Wildwood Gridanians and Gridanians in general, worship Nyemia(?) And the Elementals.

etc

Again, citation needed for all of those (except for Ishgardians and Wildwood Elezen. I remember those).

Last I checked White guy and Asian guy down the street act the same as Hispanic guy up the street. But White guy in the neighborhood 50mi away acts completely different.

Again, you misunderstood my point. Even in melting pots like America, there are those who still deeply value their heritage. They aren't afraid to integrate, but they love and respect where they or their ancestors came from. That's virtually non-existant in Eorzea as apparently no one cares where they came from. Did they ever live in separate countries to begin with or did Hydalen just think it was a neat idea to see what she could make?

Commander Rhiki acts exactly like Y'shtola for sure.

Again, misunderstanding my point. The only real difference between them is one has a bubbly personality while the other barely has one at all. Neither would do or say something that would seem completely alien to anyone else. Whereas, for example, it's possible that someone used to Japanese culture would find it odd that Americans will just run around the house in their shoes.

Not even a glimpse. It's a shirt and panties/underwear. With absolutely no culture attached.

That's like saying a kanga is just a dress or a Turban is just a funny hat simply because you don't know any better. We hardly know anything about any of the races so it's literally impossible to say the way they dress doesn't mean anything.

Dunno about you but when I went to the Miqo'te tribe in Forgotten Springs I didn't see not one Miqo'te in there wearing racial gear. No hempen camise in sight. I don't see any Roes with their gear. The only characters with hempen camises are Rowena's employees and they have no identity.

99% of the Miqo'te in Forgotten Springs are hunters and unlike us adventures, most NPCs tend to wear appropriate attire. The other 1% are resting in the springs wearing bathing suits...because they're bathing. Whose to say they don't wear the hempen set while sleeping?

Also, there are several Roegadyn wearing their hempen set around Limsa and Idlyshire. Might be a few hanging around Ul'dah too I would imagine.

I learned alot by visiting Forgotten Springs for sure. I learned that even they don't wear this so-called racial gear. I learned alot by visiting the Coeurlclaw camp too. They also don't wear anything like this racial stuff.

I'll concede to that, but 1.) isn't the Forgotten Springs Miqo'te tribe one of many? I'm not trying to make a point. I'm genuinely asking. 2.) Again, unlike us (yes, myself included), NPCs tend to dress for the occaion so it should come as no surprised that the Coeurlclaws dress like they do.

And Highlanders wear their clothes in Little Ala Mhigo because they are poor. They have nothing else.

So, remind me, what's the excuse for Rowena's employees again?

You mean the...12..15 people who want it locked?(Only one actually wears their gear 24/7) Out of the like.. 400 people saying "unlock please?"

What's your point? They're in the minority so their voice doesn't matter. The community rep specifically asked for feedback from both sides. They didn't say "okay, side with the most support wins! FIGHT!" If that's how you feel then I hope you never have an opinion in the minority on these forums.

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lol this whole thing is a losing battle. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm in favor of unlocking the hempen sets. I'm just trying to see this whole thing from everyone's point of view because I don't think it's fair to say the other side doesn't have a point. F*** me for trying to be civil I guess.

[Magic-Mal]

That's like saying a kanga is just a dress or a Turban is just a funny hat simply because you don't know any better. We don't know anything about any of the races so it's literally impossible to say the way they dress doesn't mean anything.

lol this whole thing is a losing battle. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm in favor of unlocking the hempen sets. I'm just trying to see this whole thing from everyone's point of view because I don't think it's fair to say the other side doesn't have a point. F*** me for trying to be civil I guess.

I can't buy a kanga at the dollar store. I can buy panties and a tanktop though. And a T-Shirt.

[RLofOBFL]

Please unlock it. I can't think of anything reasonable towards it staying locked. There is no downside to making it equippable to everyone. People can just choose not to wear it. Sometimes I think people just want something to fight against. As it is, there os only 2 exclusive sets & neither one is really exclusive in a sense that they're potentially wearable by every race. I doubt anyone is going out of their way to equip them JUST because they're exclusive.

[No2631]

Okay, so they don't welcome outsides...but yet seeing them run around the city isn't the least bit shocking?

Do remember this outsider is sponsored by one of their high noble houses, and has the famous reputation of slaying the gigantic dragon that was rampaging through the Steps of Faith. Most Ishgardians are savvy enough to know one does not mess with someone who is that powerful and has a powerful noble's backing, and the ones that do get plenty of exposure in the story.