So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Reynhart]

There wasn't any silhouettes at the HW panel, so why not then and then why now?

Well, they won't use the same powerpoint for each expansion, now, will they ?

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yet you think that the absence of a third silhouette is an evidence of absence of a third job.

His previous stance was in-fact "only two jobs"

"His" stance is not. The dev-team complained on that once, but we have to keep in mind that they had to work on three jobs...while creating a fourth one during 2.x. Which suprisingly match with Yoshi-P's actual stance of "We won't add a job mid-expansion again"

he wants people to speculate, but not without reason.

You can't say that, because it could be used to justify everything. For example, him not saying if the girl in red is a MNK or DNC would be a testimony of her being a DNC, because, if she was a MNK there would be no reason hiding. Or him not talking about the datamine is a testimony that SAM really is coming, since there would be no reason of not denying it.

Two things that also favor the idea that there will be three jobs.

It would make more sense for them to create a BLU/DNC hybrid. Both classes can be easily tied to ala mhigo.

Considering they confirmed that you ony need to be level 50 to unlock Red Mage, there's a high probability that the new jobs aren't tied to this city.

[Vydos]

Considering they confirmed that you ony need to be level 50 to unlock Red Mage, there's a high probability that the new jobs aren't tied to this city.

Very true. I'm only basing my thought assuming they'd want at least 1 job to tie in with the new expansion region. Astrologian was like -the- heavensward job because astrologians were already a thing before that. Even though none of us expected it to become an actual job.

[Reynhart]

Very true. I'm only basing my thought assuming they'd want at least 1 job to tie in with the new expansion region. Astrologian was like -the- heavensward job because astrologians were already a thing before that. Even though none of us expected it to become an actual job.

Even if ony one job is restriced to Ala Mhigo, you can be sure that the backlash will be huge, because, suddenly, everyone will want to play that job :-p

The thing is, even the three jobs from HW has very little connection to Ishgard itself. You could have easily unlocked AST at the Observatorium at Camp Dragonhead, DRK at...well, frankly, anywhere in the world...and I don't play MCH, but I doubt the connection is that important.

Either works, but that he did not hold out on his previous statement means its up in the air again.

The fact is, there was no previous statement claiming "we will only do two jobs" or "we don't do three jobs".

You can say she's not MNK, but the implies only that she isn't a MNK, nothing else.

But not saying she's a MNK doesn't imply that she's not.

It's not about the city, it's the culture. And its entirely possible to have a discipline of Ala Mhigan origin to make its way into Eorzea, if it didn't exist there already.

But the only culture of Ala Mhigo we know is tied to MNK. Why should BLU or DNC be tied to it more than any other location

[Lewtskie]

Even if ony one job is restriced to Ala Mhigo, you can be sure that the backlash will be huge, because, suddenly, everyone will want to play that job :-p

The thing is, even the three jobs from HW has very little connection to Ishgard itself. You could have easily unlocked AST at the Observatorium at Camp Dragonhead, DRK at...well, frankly, anywhere in the world...and I don't play MCH, but I doubt the connection is that important.

For them to introduce a Job mid expansion would be weird, off-key, and probably really bad if they locked it through the story. So it certainly wouldn't be the best idea.

Either of those jobs, as well as any that exist in the game could come from anywhere depending on where you spun the narrative. Lore is what ties it all together.

Thing is we could get anything from Ala Mhigo if it's designed that way. But SAM is and has been of Doman origin, and while entirely possible the RDM could be, the aesthetic questions that possibility.

The fact, there was no previous statement claiming "we will only do two jobs" or "we don't do three jobs".

You have me questioning this now since I swore I saw it somewhere, so I'll be digging around. If i can't find it I'll feel embarrassed, but it makes things simpler. Peoples have kept passing the word that there would only be two jobs, the argument is that if he has said that he didn't say it this time.But never saying it at all means any number is possible, just he can't guarantee anything beyond what he planned with shirts.

But not saying she's a MNK doesn't imply that she's not.

But the only culture of Ala Mhigo we know is tied to MNK. Why should BLU or DNC be tied to it more than any other location

Exactly that though, that claim was just for example. She can be anything, which leaves everything open. Thus far, everyone has kept to DNC or BLU because to their reasoning those would be the best possible choices, or the ones that make the most sense. But we can get anything for all we know. That's what I'm interested in, Ala Mhigan culture is neat stuff, so anything more that develops the lore for there I'm totally for.

[Reynhart]

You have me questioning this now since I swore I saw it somewhere, so I'll be digging around.

That's a bit tricky.

On march 2015, at PAX, the dev-team said that doing the three jobs for Heavensward was very difficult and they don't want to do the same. But, like I said earlier, they had the task of designing those three jobs while creating Ninja for 2.4. So, we can assume that they won't design four jobs at the same time, which can realistically be the reason why Yoshi-P officialy stated, at the launch of Heavensward, that they won't create another job mid-expansion.

So, two jobs is a possibility, but there was no official statement to confrm that, unless you consider the NA fanfest tweet, that was mysteriously updated to remove the number...

[Lewtskie]

I must have gotten word of mouth mixed up with everything, so that's on me. And yeah, too many unknowns with the tweet, I've set that to the side.

There'd be no grudge held from me if there's only the two, only a little bit sad nothing new would be directly relating to Ala Mhigo. BLU and DNC, the popular targets, sound neat but they're far from my favorite jobs among the franchise. That's reserved for BST, which people have thrown out there too weirdly enough though that's among the most unlikely, and WAR which we have.

[Reynhart]

There'd be no grudge held from me if there's only the two, only a little bit sad nothing new would be directly relating to Ala Mhigo.

It is kind of sad, but in the end, I think that's a smart choice. Locking jobs behind story progression, although not a big deal for me, was heavily criticized in HW. By separating the lore for the jobs and the events of the MSQ, you ensure that your newly hyped toy will be available for everybody.

And it's weirdly fun to see "old" jobs being trendy again

[Firesped]

On march 2015, at PAX, the dev-team said that doing the three jobs for Heavensward was very difficult and they don't want to do the same.

This is my reasoning why the other job is not likely to be BLU. The amount of work BLU will require to make it how the players expect it to be requires an overhaul of the entire game database. Every monster would have to be modified to make abilities learn-able from them. I can imagine how the job would work. you would have base action types slots and you would be able to learn different monster ability to fill those slots. It won't have the customization as FFXI's BLU but you will get a job that can be configured to fill all roles. But probably limited to only playing one at a time with some cross over ability. meaning of the available monster abilities in a slot, some abilities are role locked. Also due to the fact that BLU can play all roles, when they release it, it would be the only job added in that expansion, for the point of job balance.

My reasoning for getting 2 jobs is right now we need a support job and a caster job to bring balance to all job roles. right now we have 3 tanks, 3 healers, 3 dps, 2 support, and 2 casters. sadly with 5 different roles, they really should rebuild parties to 5 light, 10 full. But I don't see that happening.

[GMERC]

This is my reasoning why the other job is not likely to be BLU. The amount of work BLU will require to make it how the players expect it to be requires an overhaul of the entire game database. Every monster would have to be modified to make abilities learn-able from them. I can imagine how the job would work. you would have base action types slots and you would be able to learn different monster ability to fill those slots. It won't have the customization as FFXI's BLU but you will get a job that can be configured to fill all roles. But probably limited to only playing one at a time with some cross over ability. meaning of the available monster abilities in a slot, some abilities are role locked. Also due to the fact that BLU can play all roles, when they release it, it would be the only job added in that expansion, for the point of job balance.

My reasoning for getting 2 jobs is right now we need a support job and a caster job to bring balance to all job roles. right now we have 3 tanks, 3 healers, 3 dps, 2 support, and 2 casters. sadly with 5 different roles, they really should rebuild parties to 5 light, 10 full. But I don't see that happening.

You are wildly overstating how relevant "customization" is to Blue Mage in the first place, which is to say it isn't at all.

Let me also say that Support literally is not a thing that exists. There is only Melee DPS, Shooter DPS, and Caster DPS.

[Lewtskie]

Well, they won't use the same powerpoint for each expansion, now, will they ?

Yet you think that the absence of a third silhouette is an evidence of absence of a third job.

The absence of evidence means anything is open, only when there is evidence of absence would there mean nothing exists, but whatever. There being only two silhouettes implies nothing, and implies anything. There's potentially any reason it can exist, when it didn't before. The fact they chose a background this time around, not that they used the same slide (I don't know why you automatically assume that) either is just space or reference to something. This is how speculation works. This is the basis of theorycrafting and how people discover and understand.

"His" stance is not. The dev-team complained on that once, but we have to keep in mind that they had to work on three jobs...while creating a fourth one during 2.x. Which suprisingly match with Yoshi-P's actual stance of "We won't add a job mid-expansion again"

He speaks for his team, but he also speaks for himself. If there was zero possibility that his team could not provide, he would say. But either his team can try, or he will try and get them to. Either works, but that he did not hold out on his previous statement means its up in the air again.

You can't say that, because it could be used to justify everything. For example, him not saying if the girl in red is a MNK or DNC would be a testimony of her being a DNC, because, if she was a MNK there would be no reason hiding. Or him not talking about the datamine is a testimony that SAM really is coming, since there would be no reason of not denying it.

You have to look for what's explicitly stated as yes or no. Time and time again he has said if something is not possible, or at least not yet. He has been very clear on those boundaries. You can say she's not MNK, but the implies only that she isn't a MNK, nothing else. It could mean she is a DNC, or it could mean she is something else. NPCs have their own thing and do not exist solely in the same boundaries as the player. But if he says she isn't a MNK, then you take that as an absolute. That means anything else is possible until proven otherwise.

You use a process of elimination, but only when the elimination is clear and concise. Until word is made from the same mouth the opposes the previous statement.

Considering they confirmed that you ony need to be level 50 to unlock Red Mage, there's a high probability that the new jobs aren't tied to this city.

It's not about the city, it's the culture. And its entirely possible to have a discipline of Ala Mhigan origin to make its way into Eorzea, if it didn't exist there already.