The Feast is SO much better without chat

[Zojha]

Beyond that, trying to argue the idea of a coordinated, cooperating, and communicating team versus an uncoordinated, uncooperative, and non-communicative team being an even match is, at best, nonsense.

So...why are you doing it then?

I'm not the one who brought up the argument, I'm the one who criticizes you for it by reversing your statement, thus creating a logical contradiction meant to show you that the entire argument you brought there is void. And now you go and tell me it is. Duh!

Furthermore, I never said it's not a factor at all. I'm saying it's a non-factor concerning win/loss. And that is plain and simply true, because neither team can have an advantage nor disadvantage from something that both teams have, as they cancel each other out. It can still be a factor for player satisfaction and whatnot, but it does not in fact affect win/loss the slightest. It cannot, just as the absence of Brute Justice on both teams cannot affect win/loss.


Finally, the reversal is actually sensible, because just as nothing explains you why you lost, nothing explains you why you won either. The two are equal. And I'm talking the general you here, not the you you. And I was doing that before as well.
I probably have to spell it out: I'm not even arguing your other points. I'm not arguing your person either. I'm arguing this particular point.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Please don't try to play logical word games with me. Just don't.

If you're trying to say not being able to chat is not a factor for winning or losing, I'm sorry but that's quite wrong. You can do everything right as a healer or DPS, but if say, your tank 10 stacks and tries to keep fighting, and you can't tell him to fall back or risk losing the medals, then he does and you're unable to recover, you lose. And it was purely that lack of ability to communicate that could've made the difference.

Other scenarios, based on my own experience:
- Trying to tell and show your teammates they can get out of a deadlock battle on the bridge by jumping the fence or taking the stairs and going around the enemy team
- Telling your teammates not to stay bunched up while fighting against casters
- Spotting someone with a bunch of medals trying to hang back in an area you can reach, IF you don't simply stay tunneled on the overall skirmish
- Seeing a NIN with medals hide and knowing several teammates can use Detect to stop him
- Coordinating a focused attack on a healer who's used all their big cooldowns
- Shifting focus to someone showing obvious signs their about to burst

I have won and lost matches purely from either being able to/not able to communicate these things. And quick chat just can't hack it. Yes, these are specific, and not everyone will run into similar situations. But that in effect proves my point about quick chat. No two matches will ever be the same, so a rudimentary chat system that barely covers basics won't be enough for unique situations, or anything that falls outside of what they cover. Thus, it's not an effective replacement for full communication, and let's not try to delude ourselves into thinking it ever will be.

[Srab]

Please don't try to play logical word games with me. Just don't.

If you're trying to say not being able to chat is not a factor for winning or losing, I'm sorry but that's quite wrong. You can do everything right as a healer or DPS, but if say, your tank 10 stacks and tries to keep fighting, and you can't tell him to fall back or risk losing the medals, then he does and you're unable to recover, you lose. And it was purely that lack of ability to communicate that could've made the difference.

well if you just use the chat to ask the tank to die and kill the guy who take his medals you will win

make the right decision let your team know about it and that will will be a factor for winning

[Cleanse]

well if you just use the chat to ask the tank to die and kill the guy who take his medals you will win

make the right decision let your team know about it and that will will be a factor for winning

With the current chat abilities, conveying this to someone is overly difficult. The tank would need to have ESP.

[Trotsky]

Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

[Ama_Hamada]

Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

Just because you find problems does not mean everyone does.
1. that is a RL threat did yo report them?
2. How do we know you did not tell a friend to send you those just to put in more proof for you vocal minority cause? banning chat does not stop toxicity! So in your view we should ban all chat? no tells no chat in pve, etc?

You never seen the "good job spam" when someone dies etc? this change does not stop anything and just makes the situation worse, assuming that is real, that frustration can be blamed on the ban chat because no one could advise during you what to do during. Are you using all your PvP abilities? are you healing? Someone went at it with my friend for being "salty" because they would not heal her and choose to stone III ice.

[loreleidiangelo]

Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

Am I the only person who finds that more comical than offensive? Is today's generation really so thin-skinned as to take a barely-coherent all-caps rant like that seriously? Heck, the person who this tirade was aimed that doesn't even seemed to be that fazed by it, judging by their response.

[Ama_Hamada]

Am I the only person who finds that more comical than offensive? Is today's generation really so thin-skinned as to take a barely-coherent all-caps rant like that seriously? Heck, the person who this tirade was aimed that doesn't even seemed to be that fazed by it, judging by their response.

Now you know who SE is appealing to

[Andriel]

IP tracking system, lol.
So this is what it looks like when totally clueless kids try to make threats with things they understand absolutely nothing about

[Jasott]

Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

The chat restrictions should be there, but not a blanket ban for EVERYONE, especially not in the middle of the season. They could have at least waited to push it until Season 4 started, or Season 3 ended if they a prelim week again. As for that guy screaming about a bad healer, report him. Stuff like that would be means for a permanent ban from the game.