The Feast is SO much better without chat

[Trotsky]

With such a low amount of matches its easy to have a high winrate (even higher) since you play against bad ppl alot of times lol

Are you implying I possess some sort of devil's luck that matches me mostly against utter incompetents? That's a laughable argument. My experience is the experience of an average player, for whom The Feast is but one of many available activities. FFXIV's PvP was never meant to be the ultimate competition - there are countless other games that focus solely on this aspect. This isn't some kind of MOBA, designed to make imperfect players feel like worthless trash. Since day one, FFXIV was aiming to provide a much more relaxed, casual-friendly experience. And this is the reason why chat was disabled - not because the devs have no idea what they're doing, but because this was their goal all along.

no chat just brought feast into being a mindless game with people just attacking whatever and doing whatever they want.

Much like it always been. If you truly believe your scathing remarks made even one person reconsider their approach to PvP, well, I've got bad news for you. And to be clear, I'm not strictly against shaming. I hate to repeat myself, but the point I've been trying to make all this time is that some people's tendency to point out others' mistakes - perceived or not - brought more harm than good.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Any player that has minimal knowledge of PvP starting late should have a high winrate until Platinum, it isn't devil's luck. If you played in previous seasons you would understand. All the regulars rank up in the first week, eventually people who don't pvp or have no idea what they are doing are the only ones left at low rank. When a regular ranks up late in the season, it isn't uncommon for them to be 90% until Platinum. Season 2 I was brand new, started late, and was 80% until I got to top 20. I was also playing tank, the role that matters the least. Realize you were facing healers that are only there because if the event... Or healers that are still bronze-silver. That requires a 20% winrate.

If they want to make it casual, that's fine. Strip off the leaderboard and don't give placement rewards. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Please point me toward the press release where they say that too, you seem to have knowledge I don't.

I also come from a MOBA background. I was not a great mechanical player by any means, but I made it to the top 25 in season II at one point. How? Communication. I lead my team, people respected my calls, and I had good game sense. I was an imperfect player, and I achieved things that I wouldn't have been able in a climate like this. Most players could have done as well as me with practice, knowledge, and leadership.

[AdamZ]

When a regular ranks up late in the season, it isn't uncommon for them to be 90% until Platinum. Season 2 I was brand new, started late, and was 80% until I got to top 20. I was also playing tank, the role that matters the least. Realize you were facing healers that are only there because if the event... Or healers that are still bronze-silver. That requires a 20% winrate.

Actually thanks to this event, not 100% true. Was a Gold tank in season 1, and did not get into feast in seasons 2 and 3 at the start. Came back now as the ques are back. Now in the week worked up from 0 to silver. From this experience I would say we have a real mix of people in the low teirs right now. Including some very good healers, and some dps I remember from the Gold ranks back in season one. Still a 70% win rate as a tank, you have some just bad matches sometimes of people that are newer, but you get others ones where you like, damn, that healer is unranked and they knew how to counter everything.

[ChocoFeru]

So basically, you guys don't want the chat back because you're full of hate, therefore you want others to suffer in Feast.

Seems pretty mature.

[Maxidelta]

So basically, you guys don't want the chat back because you're full of hate, therefore you want others to suffer in Feast.

Seems pretty mature.

I'm on the fence about the whole thing, but lets not pretend the majority wanting chat back on these forums have been anything but snarky, rude and impolite. I refuse to believe SE put such a restriction in place if they didn't feel it was an actual problem, a little hamfisted and extreme sure, but it shows it might be bad enough to warrant such an extreme action.

[HiroesX81]

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I'm on the fence about the whole thing, but lets not pretend the majority wanting chat back on these forums have been anything but snarky, rude and impolite. I refuse to believe SE put such a restriction in place if they didn't feel it was an actual problem, a little hamfisted and extreme sure, but it shows it might be bad enough to warrant such an extreme action.

Thats what I say, logs dont lie and Im positive SE took careful consideration and examined the evidence before doing this. Only the serious hardcore pvp community is against this ban. Meanwhile Im having a blast

[aeoncs]

Only the serious hardcore pvp community is against this ban. Meanwhile Im having a blast

So everyone but yourself is part of "the serious hardcore pvp community"? Lemme tell ya, you don't have the authority to speak for anyone but yourself.

In this thread alone there are plenty of new PvPers who disapprove of it. It's not even about players stepping out of line and harassing others, it's about SE taking the easy way out; and if anyone honestly believes that the removal of chat punishes the players that actually deserve to be banned, you're kidding yourself - the players that are actually at a disadvantage are new players who want to improve and veterans who want to help new players improve. It's a no-win situation for pretty much everyone except oversensitive ignoramuses and toxic toerags <- I do hope that's an insult I'm allowed to use here. ;^)

[HiroesX81]

Its not SE taking the 'easy way out'. Its a business. Ever thought beyond the need to punish ppl why they took it out? Its not about that

Think, you're about to hold a 6 month pvp event to introduce ppl to it. You have content used mostly not for strategy. Across all data centers. Excluding the better part of the pvpers. Then you get this massive influx of ppl who dont know how to pvp. What do you think is gonna happen? Everyone will play nice? Frontline you have 72 ppl. Feast doesnt give annonimity however. Considering the input theyd have no choice but to remove it and find an alternative method. Because otherwise that's just bad. Way worse than just chat ban. from one piece of content. No reason to put it back MUCH less with 4.0 coming. Please continue tho. Im sure some of you will come up with a valid idea instead of just complaining about it.

Valid suggestions? Give them something to work with or dont gripe

FACT: Good or bad more ppl are doint it now than before.