Why is game entitlement a thing and people think they deserve every item in the game?

[Shougun]

I completely understand were your coming from. It's a matter of ethics, people who by clears deep down know it's the same a buying gill. They claim not to do it, but deep down they only fool themselves. If an FC helps it's members it's a different story or perhaps do it do to not enough people doing it anymore. But in MMO it's normal.

What is different from a FC helping and a bought clear? Usually skilled FC don't even care if their new mate dies (unless it's really still tough content), oh you died to Titan.. whatever - go get some popcorn~ I have no idea if it was hard when released but when I finally got around to Ifrit in 1.0 no one was doing it, so I had three generous level 50s come in and rofl stomp him before my cutscene even finished (I shouted for 2+ hours lfp, three people came in because they felt bad for me lol). I didn't "deserve" it? Or if I had paid gil I didn't? Or it's not important because you don't care about that content now/ it's not your content?

I understand getting people who didn't learn their job is annoying to play with when you do content where you NEED to know at least majority skill play, and I wouldn't mind if certain contents were gated behind well designed skill test Maat like fights (you do your rotation and play near peak performance, or don't pass - I probably would benefit from these as well). Just don't make it like 250 tutorials, lol.

But it seems like the major complaint here is "I don't want to play with them, I don't like them, get them out of MY content". Which I would just laugh and say it's never going to happen, if people buy their way into 4* crafts, buy their over 9,000 gear, or whatever they still HAD to do work to do that (unless they bought the gil). They've done WORK and DESERVE the reward.

If you're complaining that people want to offer no work (money is a form of trade-able work) and get things, then I'd just say no one likes them too lol. But usually people wonderfully skip the part where work is offered and just don't like they're aiming for something you (whoever) doesn't want to share, it's mine, my own, my precious.

Buying gil is punishable, so we already have a solution where one need lie. Ensuring terrible players are less often in DF/PF is harder and to a certain extent impossible, also it's important to realize that people may know their job but don't know the content - dying cause you're new is different than dying cause you decided to stand in all the circles and ignore class basics (also some mechanics are just rough no matter, like lag sensitive mechanics, just complex ones in end game fights - that's why they're hard).

[bswpayton]

Oh you talking about outdated content stuff that still in the game? I thought it was going to be another one of those threads about like limited event items from like season events or pre-order items.

It could be any content, if someone is sittin back until storm blood comes out and they wana steam roll all the old content to get rewards that people earned and they never got a single clear of it then they deserve none of those rewards.

The only reward they deserve is simply a chance to view the content and that is all that is the reward of someone who didnt put in any effort a cut scene and that should be good enough. If you are waiting in line to get a bird but never qued up once to try to do the content but want to take the easy route out then the game should force you to get a clear sync until you have access to farming birds. Otherwise if I just pay my sub well I pay more than other players then I deserve extra rewards for having alts and buying from the mog station.

What someone only pays the flat fee I pay for retainers and alts so I deserve more than them. If you use the I pay my sub logic then we can go into who pays more than others , and those people could say they deserve more than people that just pay the bare minimum price.

[Malzian]

It's a terrible idea in pretty much anything to come along with the idea of 'one size fits all in every instance'. There are such a vast array of reasons as to why someone isn't able to clear specific content the way that you do that listing them all is unreasonable, but to name a few: time constraints, physical impairments, mental impairments, technical limitations.

In terms of people doing old content unsynced to get gear, mounts and glamour... Who cares? It's old content with irrelevant gear and out dated rewards. Because someone got it easier later does not take away from your getting it while it was difficult but, instead, should be a point of pride for you to say, "I got that when it was still a difficult item to get." It's not entitlement, it's standard depreciation of the value of an item over time.

For people paying for clears, as long as it is with in game currency that was earned through in game activity and not RMT, they may be getting carried, but people have been paying other people to do things for them that they can't since forever. When the transactions are in game currency only this is simply a part of the game economy. Typically you would call something like this in the real world "Mercenary work".

I am a staunch believer that games like this, as much as the real world, require alternative paths to success. If you try to force and funnel everyone unflinchingly down the same road you will ultimately we'd up losing more people along the way. The devs are here to -grow- the game, they want people to come in and stay not drive them away. The more accommodating they can be to a wider audience, the more popular and populated the game will be and hence the wider the player-base for people to interact with and the more money the company can bring in.

[Shougun]

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Simple issue I think we have here is pretty easy to resolve, unfortunately you don't get to decide what people deserve. SE has already done that for you. You may ask SE to stop giving people stuff, but you cannot without being dishonest say they don't deserve it because SE has said they do.

For all content still active at least, "I deserve past seasonal items" is a different issue, which they don't but I don't see that it's wrong to say "can I please have that event again, or pay for it in another way?" and for SE to say yes or no.

So for the majority concern that was brought up, they're not entitled and they're deserving - the lords of FFXIV have dictated it so. At this point its like you trying to say a square is a circle and everyone who thinks it a square is high on krakka.

[Ibi]

For instance I didn't even know buying clears was a thing thats just sad if you cant play certain content to where you have to buy it then why even attempt the content its out of your league do things that is in your league instead.

What if someone is part of a static, but is significantly less skilled and/or capable than the other seven members of the static, and the static is clearing the content in spite of that person, rather than because of that person? Does that person deserve the rewards more than someone who may be sufficiently skilled and/or capable but doesn't have a group of seven other people with which to form a group to complete the content, but has the gil to pay for a clear?

Who gets to make the decision on who's deserving?

Are someone said in another thread that people are waiting to get titles from Alexander when it goes unsync, why would someone even want a title they dont really deserve.

The title is awarded from clearing that piece of content. That's it. That's the only requirement. Anyone who beats that content, regardless of when it occurs, how they do it, etc. by definition deserves that title.

Whether you personally think they've done it the "right" way or not is completely irrelevant.

[bswpayton]

What is different from a FC helping and a bought clear? Usually skilled FC don't even care if their new mate dies (unless it's really still tough

Has nothing to do with , liking someone I haven't cleared many things in the game. Im just getting to hw endgame, what Im saying is if I go into Alexander and I cant even beat Alexander then I as a player deserve not a single thing from Alexander because I was not skilled enough for that content.

If I as a player never clear any of the hw extreme primals then I should not have access to any of the birds when stormblood comes out (using unsync method) until I can get a clear on that content at the minimum of one time. Has nothing to do with not wanting to play with certain players, It has everything to do with willfully thinking you deserve access to items or rewards that players that are better at the game than you. Those players that are better than me whether its more time spent practicing are that they just naturally more gifted than me, earned those rewards so then why should I , or anyone else thinks they deserve the same stuff and if I couldnt do what they did is beyond me.

[Artemiz]

I completely understand were your coming from. It's a matter of ethics, people who by clears deep down know it's the same a buying gill. They claim not to do it, but deep down they only fool themselves. If an FC helps it's members it's a different story or perhaps do it do to not enough people doing it anymore. But in MMO it's normal.

What? So if somebody gets a carry it's fine but if they pay to merc something it's right up there with RMT? Don't be silly, in either case they didn't have the skill required but got the clear anyway. Personally I don't care how people clear content, you do you, boo.

As for the wider point of the ethics of paying a merc group I don't have a problem with it. I play this game to play the content, not sit looking at a title or posing in Idyllshire but if that's what others want to do it's up to them. Due to my shifts at work it's completely impossible for me to join any kind of static so I will never be a progression raider, just the way it is. I do get plenty of time for crafting though so if I wanted to I could easily merc most content, in fact it would be the only way I could clear it to see the story so why do you have a problem if that's what people do?

We all play this game for personal enjoyment, that much at least we're entitled to. If people have different methods of achieving the same goal that's up to them, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else and they don't cheat or hack then frankly it's non of my business how they did it.

[Seig345]

Personally I may pass you in your A12S clearing gear, title, and mount 57 times in Idylshire and odds are I'll never even spare you a glance.

I play the game to have fun, and work towards the stuff I enjoy, and couldn't possibly care less if someone else pays their way or unsyncs their way to the same stuff I have. Nor do I care how others regard my gear, glamour, title, mount, or minion. If I like it, that's like C is for Cookie to the Cookie Monster: that's good enough for me.

I am so glad I don't get myself so wrapped up in how other players are acquiring their bits and bobs in this game (outside of breaking the game, naturally), because honestly these threads make it seem absolutely exhausting.

[Shougun]

Has nothing to do with , liking someone I haven't cleared many things in the game. Im just getting to hw endgame, what Im saying is if I go into Alexander and I cant even beat Alexander then I as a player deserve not a single thing from Alexander because I was not skilled enough for that content.

If I as a player never clear any of the hw extreme primals then I should not have access to any of the birds when stormblood comes out (using unsync method) until I can get a clear on that content at the minimum of one time. Has nothing to do with not wanting to play with certain players, It has everything to do with willfully thinking you deserve access to items or rewards that players that are better at the game than you. Those players that are better than me whether its more time spent practicing are that they just naturally more gifted than me, earned those rewards so then why should I , or anyone else thinks they deserve the same stuff and if I couldnt do what they did is beyond me.

I think if you migrated your argument more people might get behind it (I imagine not majority but I understand what you're trying to say). But again there is significant issue with using the word deserve, since you unless you're Yoshida don't dictate what people deserve. If people can do what you describe without cheating then they do indeed actually deserve what they get - even if they didnt have to try as hard to do it.

Having cool stuff feels cool when you know its hard to get, I can understand that. Although I vehemently disagree that a game needs limited time content, like said in another thread I think if they don't want to add it back they can always just make it cost lol.

There is of course an issue with not keeping a rolling mountain, which is what Yoshida is doing right now (he's keeping a moving slope). That is without a moving slope old content is FAR more likely to die because no one is going to put in the effort to perfect content that only 3 other people want to do, and there is new content at the same time you have to stress over. By making it a rolling mountain they can keep people active, energized, and more content available for longer meaning the theme park gets progressively larger rather than staying around the same size through new content patches.

Drop the whole deserve argument, because as I said that's not within your ability to dictate, and I actually understand your argument and can feel where you're coming from. Unfortunately I think the benefit from a rolling progression is better than the negatives it also brings (hard old content becomes more and more trivial as time goes on).

[dragonseth07]

I am so glad I don't get myself so wrapped up in how other players are acquiring their bits and bobs in this game (outside of breaking the game, naturally), because honestly these threads make it seem absolutely exhausting.

Can you imagine being someone like that? Someone rides by on a trial mount:

"Oh, God, did they clear that legit? How can I know? HOW CAN I KNOW?! WHY DO I CARE?!"