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    Player
    Nanopizza's Avatar
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    Ayuna Kahri
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    Cerberus
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    Machinist Lv 90
    You say that people deserve to be rewarded for their skill, well, selling clears is a way of these people making rewards (gil) from their skill, it goes both ways.

    Personally I'd never buy a clear, it's just not how I work, but it is a market that is very rewarding for those who sell it, and for those with the desire to buy it, it also gets them what they want.
    Bear in mind there are many different people who play this game, much of the player-base really doesn't care for hardcore content and that's okay, but when this player plays for glamouring, and they REALLY want a piece of glamour from the latest raid, they don't care about raiding, but they do care about that glamour, so they go and buy a clear, nothing wrong with that. They get their glamour piece, the guys selling it gets gil, everyone's happy.
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    dragonseth07's Avatar
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    Ratithgar Jovasch
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I see. You're trying to mask the whole "I hate unsynced" thing behind appealing to an entitlement argument. Well, you can't fool me.
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    bswpayton's Avatar
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    Nic Pay
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    I see. You're trying to mask the whole "I hate unsynced" thing behind appealing to an entitlement argument. Well, you can't fool me.
    Im not trying to fool anyone this goes for revelent content now as well I had someone on my server the other day in nn asking to buy a clear. Someone posted on here even tho they were joking but I know it goes on , about buying a clear if you can not do certain content then its so many other rewards you can get in the game that fit where you are at in the game. The requirement for any reward should be one clear sync , then you have access to the reward I dont hate unsync but I do not agree with people thinkin just cause they pay a sub they deserve all the good stuff.
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    RaijinSupreme's Avatar
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    Dynamo Malevolti
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    Sargatanas
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    I see. You're trying to mask the whole "I hate unsynced" thing behind appealing to an entitlement argument. Well, you can't fool me.
    right lmao. Op can't let people do what they want. None of it affects him, yet he's so very adamant to impose his wants on to other people.
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    Last edited by RaijinSupreme; 01-27-2017 at 03:46 AM.

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    Laerad3993's Avatar
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    Aisha Clan-clan
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    If someone EARNS their gil, and they choose to buy a clear, that's their prerogative. I mean, some clears for savage go for anywhere from 10-40m on my server. If someone earned that gil, and chooses to blow it on that, more power to them. Why do you care? All of the players that earned their clears rightfully generally wait until their entire static is decked out and have the mounts before selling clears anyways.

    That's like saying you don't deserve to purchase the Ebon Whistle off the MB(which sells on my server for 15-22m), because you didn't go into POTD and get lucky enough to have it come out of the hoard. Or the Zu mount, which I personally sold 3 of for 10m a piece when they first came out, because you don't have FC airship access. I don't see a difference, whatsoever.
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    bswpayton's Avatar
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    Nic Pay
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerad3993 View Post
    If someone EARNS their gil, and they choose to buy a clear, that's their prerogative. I mean, some clears for savage go for anywhere from 10-40m on my server. If someone earned that
    Its is a difference in it just being like a minion you can sell, if its not an untradable item then there is nothing wrong with someone buying it. It was designed that way so its nothing wrong with that, but you cant sell other mounts that have to be earned and those you have to earn shouldnt be by carry are paid for.

    Just because you pay a sub doesnt mean you deserve all the items in the game thats like saying that you should be able to craft four star things crafts yet you didnt even level your crafters. Its tons of mounts and other rewards that you can get without trying to pry into content you have no business doing if you have to buy a clear from it. You have beast tribe mounts, you can get mounts from mog station, gold saucer mounts, if you arent a skilled player then these are the rewards you deserve whats wrong with accepting this until you can get better to get the harder rewards in the game.
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    Aisha Clan-clan
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    Behemoth
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
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    The fact it isn't a bannable offense makes me disagree with you. If they didn't want things proceeding this way after 4 years, they'd have put a stop to it.

    So, I disagree.

    Should I also have to farm out all the items for my relic steps, and level the proper classes to create the HQ items to turn in to progress, like with 210, because other people did it that way? If it's acceptable in 98% of the game for everything else, I don't see any reason other than being prideful/greedy that someone would think this should be off limits.

    I don't like that people can go onto the mogstation and buy event items from 2013-2015 that were unobtainable once over, but you don't see me on here trying to justify why they shouldn't have it in my mind.
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    Last edited by Laerad3993; 01-27-2017 at 02:10 AM.

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    RubyCirha's Avatar
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    Ruby Cirha
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    Coeurl
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    Monk Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by Laerad3993 View Post
    If someone EARNS their gil, and they choose to buy a clear, that's their prerogative. I mean, some clears for savage go for anywhere from 10-40m on my server. If someone earned that gil, and chooses to blow it on that, more power to them. Why do you care? All of the players that earned their clears rightfully generally wait until their entire static is decked out and have the mounts before selling clears anyways.

    That's like saying you don't deserve to purchase the Ebon Whistle off the MB(which sells on my server for 15-22m), because you didn't go into POTD and get lucky enough to have it come out of the hoard. Or the Zu mount, which I personally sold 3 of for 10m a piece when they first came out, because you don't have FC airship access. I don't see a difference, whatsoever.
    All this dose is lead to people turning to rmt for gil when people charge that much to clear content imo
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    Yeol's Avatar
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    Dr Yeol
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RubyCirha View Post
    All this dose is lead to people turning to rmt for gil when people charge that much to clear content imo
    Gil is easy to get in this game. If you know what to sell.
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    "BAAAAAARD!" - 2018

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    Nicodemus Mercy
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RubyCirha View Post
    All this dose is lead to people turning to rmt for gil when people charge that much to clear content imo
    People who buy gil are going to buy gil regardless. No one makes them buy it or "leads them" to buy it. They don't have to buy gil to pay for that clear. They CHOOSE to buy the gil to pay for that clear. But that in itself is not a problem with buying clears but rather, a) the fact that RMT exists and SE's efforts to curtail them aren't strong enough and b) there will always be people who choose to use any means available for a shortcut. Even if those means go against rules, laws, and ethics.

    It's an indisputable fact that some human beings are douchenozzles sometimes (like people who get butthurt about other people doing outdated content unsynched for outdated rewards) and humanity just isn't evolved enough for that to change anytime soon if ever. But just because some people are douchenozzles sometimes doesn't mean we have ruin the game for everyone else.

    The bottom line is, none of us has any business trying to claim some sort of authority about who deserves what. Know who has that authority? The game developers. They decide how the game works. They decide what efforts are required to get what rewards. Anyone else who opens their piehole with nonsense about who "doesn't deserve" or "hasn't earned" what, is just blowing smoke. They have no moral high ground, no authority and no hope that what they want will ever come to pass. Who knew special snowflakes would taste so salty eh?
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    Last edited by Nicodemus_Mercy; 01-28-2017 at 06:04 PM.
    How many men am I involved with? Well that depends... do you mean men as in males? Or just midlanders?

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