Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[JackDaniels]

lol no he's not ;p He is not riling me or any others off. I enjoy this Stoned, he is a sad little person to even feel the need to troll (and fail at it) look at all the posts mods have deleted already, wish they would just ban him already, so he would go back to playing Disney Toon Town or something.

Maybe you should get stoned every now and then, maybe you wouldn't come off as such a bon second thought, I'm not gonna go there at the risk of getting another 4 hour suspension. But you probably catch my drift.

[Xbob42]

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

[Wynn]

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

Nobody is White Knighting. We are saying if you don't like the game now and don't want to pay, then don't. Take care and we'll see you later, maybe.

If people really feel that a year of game time was not worth their purchase price, they shouldn't still be here. It's a load of crap. The people that are here, and are actually playing, like this game. They can lie all they want. Those that don't play and are just posting whine posts in the forums are nothing more than trolls since they don't play so what should it matter whether or not players are getting charged.

Either way you slice it, put up or shut up.

[Bearforce]

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

100% agreed

[Bearforce]

Nobody is White Knighting. We are saying if you don't like the game now and don't want to pay, then don't. Take care and we'll see you later, maybe.

If people really feel that a year of game time was not worth their purchase price, they shouldn't still be here. It's a load of crap. The people that are here, and are actually playing, like this game. They can lie all they want. Those that don't play and are just posting whine posts in the forums are nothing more than trolls since they don't play so what should it matter whether or not players are getting charged.

Either way you slice it, put up or shut up.

telling us we shouldnt be in the general discussion forums? you sir are made out of gold, Gm,s will gonna rush to you in-game and gives you a /hug for defending a multi billion $ company. pretty sure at the release of v2.0 they gonna reward you with a "metaphorical cookie".

[Wynn]

telling us we shouldnt be in the general discussion forums? you sir are made out of gold, Gm,s will gonna rush to you in-game and gives you a /hug for defending a multi billion $ company. pretty sure at the release of v2.0 they gonna reward you with a "metaphorical cookie".

The guys frothing at the mouth right now about the plan to charge are one of three things:

1.) a troll who no longer plays this game and any changes do not impact them
2.) a liar who is enjoying the game but doesn't want to pay for it
3.) a pitiful masochist who enjoys being miserable playing a game they loathe for an entire year

Which one are you?

And by the way, it is SE who is telling you that you shouldn't be here. That is why when subs come, those who don't pay up will find they can no longer rant in the official forums. They didn't make that change for no reason.

[Lefeauge]

This thread was such a horrible idea.

I agree with your opinion completely and that is why unfortunately when they begin billing I will be quitting the game, but that doesn't mean you should make a thread about it, ESPECIALLY not here. Most if not all the people here enjoy the game and are glad to supply the funds for the game to continue development even if it is way too early. If you actually wanted people to agree with you and not be shouting to a crowd that will not listen to a word you say, you should have gone somewhere else.

Also the fact that Yoshi-P stated that if you aren't pleased with 1.20 when it comes out, you still have time to cancel before billing is a big deal too. Yoshi-P and pretty much all of Square-Enix knows that they "owe" you for releasing this beta test of a game, each time they make an update there are a ton of apologies, because what else are they supposed to do, give you a refund? So instead they are pushing to improve the game and they even have come to the point where they literally have to make the game again from the ground up, and they've already lost a years worth of revenue from release, and a lot of bad rep. So the fact that Yoshi-P and Square Enix gave you a fair warning before billing and then said "Alright, if you aren't pleased, we're sorry, quit now" is a big deal and awesome on their part.

The people that aren't pleased with a half completed game will most likely quit, if people are having fun, then they won't quit and will begin to pay.

It's as simple as that, I'm sure you could have figured it out yourself without making this shitstorm of a thread.

[Bearforce]

The guys frothing at the mouth right now about the plan to charge are one of three things:

1.) a troll who no longer plays this game and any changes do not impact them
2.) a liar who is enjoying the game but doesn't want to pay for it
3.) a pitiful masochist who enjoys being miserable playing a game they loathe for an entire year

Which one are you?

calling names and making yourself a whiteknight doesnt mean your opinion is vaild. my point still stands because this is the general discussion forum. if you cant argue then why bother to post?

And by the way, it is SE who is telling you that you shouldn't be here. That is why when subs come, those who don't pay up will find they can no longer rant in the official forums. They didn't make that change for no reason.

did SE send me a letter saying i shouldnt be here? stop jumping on assumption's!. SE forums =/= a whiteknight haven. simple as that

[Wynn]

did SE send me a letter saying i shouldnt be here? stop jumping on assumption's!. SE forums =/= a whiteknight haven. simple as that

Keep telling yourself that right up until your log in no longer works. Unless you plan on subbing which would put you at option number 2, or possibly a mutated and more potent version of option 3.

[Bearforce]

Keep telling yourself that right up until your log in no longer works. Unless you plan on subbing which would put you at option number 2, or possibly a mutated and more potent version of option 3.

i will say it again:

calling names and making yourself a whiteknight doesnt mean your opinion is vaild. my point still stands because this is the general discussion forum. if you cant argue then why bother to post?