All the big changes in 2013???!!!!!

[Starlord]

I wholeheartedly agree. It really isn't enough at this pace. I was quite taken aback too. We won't get server improvements for a year and yet that was the biggest issue with the game since alpha. You'd think this ought to have been their first priority and to be released ASAP.

I think they spent too much time trying to make a different game instead of improving the game they had.

They played the long game. And in the meantime lost the short game.

They said they could please current players while still making the game for 2013, but they can't. They haven't.

Okay, For one, Were are getting Thrusted into the New Servers come Feb 2012 I don't know where your getting this year from, but that's not whats in the PDF's ( Read the small print and you'll see it Clearly says Feb 2012, and that There new Servers are on the "FINAL" Stages.

#2 Spending a Time making a Different game, well when you look at it at their angle, the ones that made the game ( namely Tanaka) Know that the game is Broken and they needed to find a way to Resolve it. Well, a Ship that's already beginning to sink will have a hard time staying afloat, Patching it up over time ( depending on how small or big the hole is) will determine if it will still sink or stay afloat. in SE's Situation It's a VERY big hole. So, how does SE tackle this Problem? You guessed it Completely Overhaul EVERYTHING ( basically make a new Ship w/o holes). So the time invested into this Ver 2.0 is actually a wiser Idea then trying to patch up a big hole that never seems to be covered up.

#3 How do you know what's Pleasing the Crowd or not, Your User name is Lol Lol and your still lvl 1 Character Your just like the Warcraft Cataclysm on my Server Trolling the Server in Ul'dah. The only people that don't seem to be pleased is 15% of the Forums on here. If you played the game, along with the other people that are having a good time ( or else why would they play, if they aren't having fun.).

Thats all I have to say on this Matter.

[Azurus]

#3 How do you know what's Pleasing the Crowd or not, Your User name is Lol Lol and your still lvl 1 Character Your just like the Warcraft Cataclysm on my Server Trolling the Server in Ul'dah. The only people that don't seem to be pleased is 15% of the Forums on here. If you played the game, along with the other people that are having a good time ( or else why would they play, if they aren't having fun.).

Thats all I have to say on this Matter.

of course only 15% are not pleased on these forums, all the non pleased people have unsubbed and as such can not post. I can't believe people still try to use these forums as unbiased defenses... Lets try looking for the true majority of those with a box copy of FFXIV, cause i guarantee you they aren't on these forums.

[Starlord]

of course only 15% are not pleased on these forums, all the non pleased people have unsubbed and as such can not post. I can'y believe people still try to use these forums as unbiased defenses... Lets try looking for the true majority of those with a box copy of FFXIV, cause i guarantee you they aren't on these forums.

I totally agree, the people that are actually playing the game are the Majority, people on here are the Minority Mixed in with some people in the game then give there feedback as such.

I'm right with you Good sir

[Azurus]

I totally agree, the people that are actually playing the game are the Majority, people on here are the Minority Mixed in with some people in the game then give there feedback as such.

I'm right with you Good sir

more people own the game than are playing...that was my point and i know you know that. And also i know many people who are only playing now so they can be ahead come 2.0 not out of enjoyment. I'm semi included in that, tho i must admit i'm enjoying myself to an extent. the biggest thing for me is them making us pay for something a year off. If this was wall street this would be an unsound investment based off past market information. I'm probably going to pay but i don't think its good business practice to make people pay for a game leading up to its re release. There's a reason the game had to be remade.

[Aldwin]

more people own the game than are playing...that was my point and i know you know that. And also i know many people who are only playing now so they can be ahead come 2.0 not out of enjoyment. I'm semi included in that, tho i must admit i'm enjoying myself to an extent. the biggest thing for me is them making us pay for something a year off. If this was wall street this would be an unsound investment based off past market information. I'm probably going to pay but i don't think its good business practice to make people pay for a game leading up to its re release. There's a reason the game had to be remade.

This exactly.

I have been one of the people on the fence, occasionally looking in at the changes. If they came out and said "we've made most of the major changes we have planned, like it or leave it now" I would probably pay and play.

But to say "we're redoing everything, and we want you to pay for it." I already have payed, when I bought the game, it was broken, its their responsibility to fix it, not mine.

Imagine you bought a new car, it breaks down when you get it home. You take it in, and they say they are going to completely remake the car, but you have to pay for it, after having bought it in the first place. I doubt anyone, no matter how much you loved that car, would go for that. I don't see why fans of this game would pay to play, even if you are having fun on the game now.

[ellohwell]

of course only 15% are not pleased on these forums, all the non pleased people have unsubbed and as such can not post. I can't believe people still try to use these forums as unbiased defenses... Lets try looking for the true majority of those with a box copy of FFXIV, cause i guarantee you they aren't on these forums.

Where have you been all my life?

[Azurus]

Where have you been all my life?

here...contemplating the most efficient way to bludgeon myself and/or others with my keyboard...

[Preypacer]

of course only 15% are not pleased on these forums, all the non pleased people have unsubbed and as such can not post. I can't believe people still try to use these forums as unbiased defenses... Lets try looking for the true majority of those with a box copy of FFXIV, cause i guarantee you they aren't on these forums.

But the people who are still here have something to gain or lose by SE's decisions going forward. Every person posting here has bought the game and created at least one character, or they wouldn't be able to post here.

I'd be much quicker to go by what I see on this forum where the members each have an investment in and a stake in the future of the game, than I would on other sites (I've seen people mention ZAM, for example) where people who have no stake, nor necessarily even any real interest in the game can "voice their opinions".

70% of the people who've "voted" on this site saying they'll proceed with the subs and 30% saying they won't carries more weight IMO, because those votes come from people who are actually playing and whom the changes will actually impact going forward.

Incidentally, I'd have the same point-of-view if the numbers were reversed and 70% said they wouldn't sub. So it's not a bias thing.

And frankly, saying that this site is more prone to fanboy-like behavior than any other seems like a non-sequitur. Anyone posting here could just as easily be posting on any other site being just as fanboyish. Same goes for those who don't like or are looking to troll the game.

It's not as though there's some rule stating "If you're a fan of the game, you only post on the official forums, else you post everywhere else".

[Azurus]

But the people who are still here have something to gain or lose by SE's decisions going forward. Every person posting here has bought the game and created at least one character, or they wouldn't be able to post here.

I'd be much quicker to go by what I see on this forum where the members each have an investment in and a stake in the future of the game, than I would on other sites (I've seen people mention ZAM, for example) where people who have no stake, nor necessarily even any real interest in the game can "voice their opinions".

70% of the people who've "voted" on this site saying they'll proceed with the subs and 30% saying they won't carries more weight IMO, because those votes come from people who are actually playing and whom the changes will actually impact going forward.

Incidentally, I'd have the same point-of-view if the numbers were reversed and 70% said they wouldn't sub. So it's not a bias thing.

And frankly, saying that this site is more prone to fanboy-like behavior than any other seems like a non-sequitur. Anyone posting here could just as easily be posting on any other site being just as fanboyish. Same goes for those who don't like or are looking to troll the game.

It's not as though there's some rule stating "If you're a fan of the game, you only post on the official forums, else you post everywhere else".

Its a fallacy of statistics no matter how you spin it. More people left and are hopefully watching this game from the sidelines then are still playing. A simple trip down youtube lane and any fansite can catch you up woth what is going on in this game. There is not that much content to where you NEED to play every part of it to atleast form a personal opinion.

This site is all like minded people or else you are right, they wouldnt be playing, however the dismal amount of us that are playing are not what SE wants, they want the 600k that left back. You are wrong also if you think that the subs only truely effect us. This forum is a drop of water as far as the actual community goes. How many of them do you think is on the fence right now? you will wake up when you see ghost towns and ask yourself why the forums are so cheery when the towns are dead. You will see why. This forum is rampant with fanboism, I feel that other fan sites actually have better arguments and I've seen far better posts on them then on here.

enacting subs is just going to turn those away that want to try a patch they are interested in now down the road. I could give two shites about paying for this game as like ive said i enjoy it enough, but i'm more worried about the fact that there will no longer be people atleast coming in to try patches. Allowing that has caused people to atleast maintain interest in the game and watch it.

After a full year of being away from it how many people do you think will still care about this game? Like i said it is poor business practice on multiple levels. It pushes those on the fence out, and it is an unsound investment to put money in to a already failed game while they push out the non failed version a year from now. Why do we have to pay for a game thats being replaced? It really does not make any sense. SE has more then enough publishings and ips to fund this game until it is actually complete.

[Firesoul]

Its a fallacy of statistics no matter how you spin it. More people left and are hopefully watching this game from the sidelines then are still playing. A simple trip down youtube lane and any fansite can catch you up woth what is going on in this game. There is not that much content to where you NEED to play every part of it to atleast form a personal opinion.

This site is all like minded people or else you are right, they wouldnt be playing, however the dismal amount of us that are playing are not what SE wants, they want the 600k that left back. You are wrong also if you think that the subs only truely effect us. This forum is a drop of water as far as the actual community goes. How many of them do you think is on the fence right now? you will wake up when you see ghost towns and ask yourself why the forums are so cheery when the towns are dead. You will see why. This forum is rampant with fanboism, I feel that other fan sites actually have better arguments and I've seen far better posts on them then on here.

enacting subs is just going to turn those away that want to try a patch they are interested in now down the road. I could give two shites about paying for this game as like ive said i enjoy it enough, but i'm more worried about the fact that there will no longer be people atleast coming in to try patches. Allowing that has caused people to atleast maintain interest in the game and watch it.

After a full year of being away from it how many people do you think will still care about this game? Like i said it is poor business practice on multiple levels. It pushes those on the fence out, and it is an unsound investment to put money in to a already failed game while they push out the non failed version a year from now. Why do we have to pay for a game thats being replaced? It really does not make any sense. SE has more then enough publishings and ips to fund this game until it is actually complete.

Finally somebody who gets it, the problem is not that 60% of people will pay, the problem is that like he mentioned the stats are biased because they come from this site. How many players are NOT registered to the official forums??? Lots I would wager. I could make up some numbers to get you to the same point he is trying to convey.
All numbers could be substituted in to match what really are actual numbers.
Example:

500k people bought the game
100k people play the game
10k people registered and post on the forums
60% will pay to play => 6k will pay
But how many does this actually mean when compared to the actual number of players? Let’s do the math:
6k/100k = 6% of people will pay to play.
Okay, so my numbers don’t make any sense cause I didn’t take into account that some of those people will pay, but we can’t know how many without doing a lot more math, but I’m not good at stats and the crap that goes with it. I could do even more math to figure out the population and sample means, ST Dev, etc. I’m not that good at stats, but I think my point is made.

In no way saying the sample mean/stat of 60% holds true for the 100k actual players. As the proportion of members of the official forums are as mentioned more than likely fanboys and tend to disproportionately favor SE’s games/positions.

Any numbers or vote counts are totally invalidated if given by any site, even this one. It simply can’t take in effect the missing variables of how many post/registered on this site vs. how many play the game. To be accurate, you would need to do a poll on each of the major sites and get responses then do all the fun math/stats stuff like coefficients, variances, covariance’s, sample means, st. dev, some other stuff I probably forgot to get an accurate number of people willing to play.

Wait and see is a much easier approach. Also, he is very much correct as I posted in one of my other thread replies, SE totally wants the 600k people they left back at the beginning, they would be fools to not want them. They need the money to make up for the lack and loss of what they expected to make.

The world is dead other than outside of Uldah. I have seen some people traveling more, but as a central hub Uldah is the current ranking of how many people are playing. If SE hadn’t removed the seach all function where it returned all players in the world we might be able to get some accurate measure of how many people actually play. (or maybe I’m missing some place the info is located at, same for how many people are actually registered on this site/forums)

Either way, without real numbers, from multiple sources the numbers will not pan out. I apologize if my post comes as random musings, I understand statistics and how to read/interpret the information but not necessarily how to do the equations, stats class was a while ago.

EDIT: looking at this post LINKY it would seem a different website came to a difference conclusion about if people were willing to pay or not. Reinforces my post that more sites would need to be polled in order to gather better information/stats.