\o\ Finding your Sweet Lover (Or Nightmare) /o/

[Vidu]

Too late for that statement. You should see how the Mentor, FC, and housing system is being upgraded.


It may be a video game in the end.

Yet, you're still going to interact with players rather you like it or not. Unless your telling me everyone with this statement has that much of a cold heart when they see another soul behind the Computer screen online. Tsk tsk tsk

Why would it be to late for that statment? SE is giving us the tools for player interaction, wether you make use of this tools or not is up to you. They're giving you the means to form "relationships" with other people, they dont have to give you the people for that too.
Do you expect your goverment to find you a wife/husband because they're providing a marriage service too?

There ARE means in this game to find like minded players - PF, the forums, maybe. Why would SE be required to help you find a friend?

And I frankly dont understand why you assume I'm cold hearted just because I dont think a game company should be running a dating services for all those lonely souls out there when they're main focus is, well, you guess: a video game that might include player interaction but doesnt require you to play it with your bff or partner for life.

(I also dont see neither the mentor nor the FC-system being upgraded - housing-system? I suppose you're talking about sharing your house with friends? Ofc people want to play with their friends and its good that SE is giving us the tools for that. They dont have to give us friends though.)

[Cleftobismal]

Why would it be to late for that statment? SE is giving us the tools for player interaction, wether you make use of this tools or not is up to you. They're giving you the means to form "relationships" with other people, they dont have to give you the people for that too.

You said the following as your opening statement:

To SE this IS just another video game though - and therefor I dont think they should interfere with friendly player interaction.

Now your next response contains:

SE is giving us the tools for player interaction

I'ma spell this is out:






Diplomatic, temporary alliances, parties, and so forth.



For you to think a Relationship is just only about love and obtaining friends, you're sorely mistaken, its much more than that. Hence my previous statement on the opposite spectrum:

You're bound to create a relationship with them one form or another, rather its asking to play with them tomorrow, always happy to see them online, to stalking them on the games social outlet via harassment, or talking crap about one another.

By all means, try hard and convince me how this game doesn't push in the direction of adventuring with other players.

[Alynn]

Honestly I think you're just nitpicking at what people are saying in some places specifically instead of their whole of the argument at this point. You're asking for reasons behind why this shouldn't be implemented; the community is giving you reasons -- you just don't want to process it. What more do you want other than simply it isn't a dating site/it's not necessary? Why do you think EB is optional in the first place? If you find your lover, good for you, but don't expect the game to cater to what a select few *really* want.

If more people agreed with you, please tell me why haven't more people jumped to your defense yet.

[Vidu]

By all means, try hard and convince me how this game doesn't push in the direction of adventuring with other players.

I never said it doesnt. I said: We have enough tools to ensure we can play this game already. We have DF, RF, PF - all tools in place to find you other people to do content with.
Maybe I missunderstood you but you seem to be looking for something more than just playing this game here - you're looking for someone to play this game WITH you and I dont see how thats SEs buisness?

Why do they have to add ANOTHER system to help you find people to play with?


(and if you want to be nitpicking, how about we start with how you wanted to find a marriage-partner, mentioned how you want someone to stalk and harrass (great choice of words here!) and ended up talking about "big" changes in FC and mentor systems that never really happend?)

[Hibbsan]

Cleftobismal i have seen you post in the Marriage thread about 30 times, reposting your application over and over again and getting ignored every single time. I'm staring to realise exactly why no one is responding to you.

[ToasterMan]

I already get enough disappointment in real life. No point of bringing it here.


To be honest most people who play this game aren't really looking for what you're suggesting here. In fact most people are already partnered up anyway. If I want to try and find a date I can fire tinder or Okcupid for it. I mean, I can see why it seems like a good idea. People who match up in these games tend to have similar interests which I think is important in a romantic relationship. I know it's hard watching all of your friends matched up and going off into duties together. I do it every day, but I don't think this is the answer.

[Magic-Mal]

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I believe it will hurt the community made system.

You have to understand that SE adding some system isn't going to help anyone magically get some bond with someone friend or no. A friendship is not some thing that is asked for. It happens on its own accord.

A system like this won't help you make friends if the people don't want to be friends with you. Just isn't how it works.

Take the marriage thread for example.. That thread has one crucial flaw.. It only asks for marriage and that's it, it's not specific. That thread is borderline dating service. The people who use that thread to just JUST get married for the items and go are using the thread correctly. All the people asking for whatever more are using it in a way it isn't built for.

This is why the Friendship Thread was done correctly. Because the purpose was to make friends. Not boy/girlfriends, or husband's/wives.

Friend -> Best Friend -> Boy/Girlfriend -> Husband/Wife

Without those steps in order, you can't have a strong relationship. A system can create a marriage, because marriage is a system. It can't however, make a friendship.

This is why we don't need a matchup system. I'm not sure what you want Cleftobismal.. I assumed you wanted something romantic. If it's not that, and just want a friend, why not use aaaaalllll the tools SE gives you? Use the Friend Megathread.

[Cleftobismal]

You may want to experience this game together with a (close) friend and thats understadeable, but it shouldnt be up to SE to (help you) find that person. The match making they "have" to do is to ensure that you can play their game - so DF, RF, PF - and get into your desired content.

Again: Even if this is more than a game to the community and they're making more than a game out of it, to SE/the devs this IS mainly a game, not a dating app (and I honestly dont see why that should change - just meeting someone by joining their FC/LS/PF party or saying "Hey, I really like your glamour, that looks cool!" is to much for you?)

Oh that's easy. Since it's mainly a game, this match system is completely optional and shouldn't have any affect on your game play if you chose not to do it.


As for your view on this:

The match making they "have" to do is to ensure that you can play their game - so DF, RF, PF - and get into your desired content.

Sure it is, that's why were going to meet a common ground, about your concern of this game being a dating app instead of well, a game. Make it optional like most things in the game. It doesn't have to be on the mainstream of things either.

Also SE has many times accommodate player interactions both directly and indirectly. This is a small bit from a few of their live producer letters.

Or you could make a friend while using the Duty Finder and wish to switch over to their world. . . .

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...808-23-2013%29

Q: There's a lot of unfriendliness between players who are matched together with the Duty Finder. What kind of countermeasures are you looking into for this?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29

Group Pose
In addition to player requests for the idling camera, the development team also wants players to take more of those wonderful screenshots with their friends, so we have improved upon the group pose feature as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...82016-06-02%29

We are also planning updates to the blacklist and friend list features; however, the friend list updates won't be available at the launch of Patch 3.5. We would like to add this in a future update. The player's World will now be displayed in the chat log, so even if players with the same name are in a party, you will be able to identify who is who.

The new party finder feature will also introduce password-locked parties. This feature is in place so that players can utilize a four-digit password to recruit friends from other Worlds.

EB isnt and shouldnt be a part of that. Adding a system like that and turning that quest into something else thats just on your queue-list doesnt seem like a great idea.
People will just do it because its another thing the game suggest them to do - but why SHOULD the game suggest that? Shoudlnt it rather be someting you choose to do because you want to?

Oh really? You'll like the system better if it's not a part of an EB quest line? Done. I never suggested that anyways. I did specifically say it's an "Alternative step" meaning not mandatory, a different path, route and etc.

Once again, you have nothing to worry about. It's not a should. It's optional.

You don't have to partake in this. Your way of life (or gameplay in this sense) is not going to be affected. There is no need to be afraid of it.

I can also see problems with this match making - even if we're saying that age doesnt matter... we have to keep in mind that minors are playing this game too and that parents might be a little upset if their 13 year old daughter runs into a 25 year old guy who'd really like to ERP with his ingame wife now... I've never used any sort of dating app, but I would imagine they use some sort of "age-gate"? (At least I'd hope that...)
And while you could say that that can happen without the EB-Finder, you're certainly right - BUT! it wouldnt be that much of SEs responsibilty because it wasnt their system that matched them up.

Simple, keep it light, keep it easy, and not overly suggestive. I mentioned earlier about a drop down feature.

Tbh, Character race, time zone and gender should be fine. However don't you agree there should be a component that asks you this with a drop down box? "Gameplay: 1. "Forever Crafters!" "Let's do a dungeon run!" "We can Roleplay all day!" "I wan't to be friends." "Hardcore Raiding!"

There are ways to make this age appropriate, such as not making it the focus of a dating tool. As I said before, the tool can instead be a way to find another adventurer to Duo-Play.

But thanks for bringing that up! It is something to consider /o/

Why would it be to late for that statment? SE is giving us the tools for player interaction, wether you make use of this tools or not is up to you. They're giving you the means to form "relationships" with other people, they dont have to give you the people for that too.
Do you expect your goverment to find you a wife/husband because they're providing a marriage service too?

There ARE means in this game to find like minded players - PF, the forums, maybe. Why would SE be required to help you find a friend?

You already answered your own question? Unless I'm missing something because you just said:

SE is giving us the tools for player interaction, wether you make use of this tools or not is up to you.

I'm not sure where you keep getting the misconception that you have to do this. It's optional. You've already acknowledged this.

(I also dont see neither the mentor . . . . (The rest you've already answered in this paragraph - Cleft)

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...fe934b0a0a464e



See "The Novice Network has been adjusted as follows:" and Bellow.

Honestly I think you're just nitpicking at what people are saying in some places specifically instead of their whole of the argument at this point.

Done. If you think I've missed anything else go ahead and quote it and I'll gladly respond. :>

Be warned, asking me the same question without a rebuttal against the argument I answered to a previous poster is not gonna get you a response. I don't like to go in circles for those who can't keep up with a debate.

If you find your lover, good for you, but don't expect the game to cater to what a select few *really* want.

If more people agreed with you, please tell me why haven't more people jumped to your defense yet.

I'm so glad you are open enough with me to get that off your chest.


Certainly you didn't think I made this thread with the intention of it being over within a few days? If you aren't prepared to muster up the stamina to defend what you believe in and all your other opinions then it shouldn't be a surprise if this thread isn't going to be a pleasant experience for you.

Cleftobismal i have seen you post in the Marriage thread about 30 times, reposting your application over and over again and getting ignored every single time. I'm staring to realise exactly why no one is responding to you.

Irrelevant but I'll humor your hubris.


I've posted less than 16% of applications on the total posts that you claim to count one by one. Unless I misunderstood that you pulled the number 30 out of a hat.

(That's less than Five for convenience sake by the way. 16% of 30)


And each and every one of them I've got responses. Not that it's your business anyways. I just hope this piece of information puts your heart at ease. Now you have something to cite from instead of crapping it out. I've always viewed players like you and others that prefer to use baseless attacks like one's who Jump out of the frying pan, and into the fire. You're digging your own grave and credibility when you do this. It's your decision to stoop lower than the person you guys claim I am. It's ironic.

[bswpayton]

What we really need is just npc relationships and companions thats whats lacking their is already an option to be with other players. Would be better to have a better companion system.

[Kikoten]

The power of imagination never fails. For instance, I've got two great looking Roegadyn twin sisters for retainers. One of them is as sweet as candy, and the other one is sour. The sweet one is playful and likes to pick me up and tickle me, while the sour one likes to verbally abuse me and make me do things for her.

My relationship status is golden. \o/