Do we get the day back?

[Aramina]

I recall XIV having a series of maintenances every week for a while after HW, and server problems definitely aren't unheard of here. XIV has bouts of weekly maintenance in between major patches somewhat often as well. And WoW's small patches ARE usually 1 hour vs the 3 hours XIV has. You can actually find that info online, in archives and such.

1)I didn't have any connection or buggy issues after HW. That's not to say other people didn't, however it was not an issue across the board. Maintenance/restarts/downtime affects all servers on WoW.

2) There are -no- maintenances that is 1 hour. 1 hour is simply for restarts and occur with the addition of *no* content at all, any content patches are far longer.

[Adire]

1)I didn't have any connection or buggy issues after HW. That's not to say other people didn't, however it was not an issue across the board. Maintenance/restarts/downtime affects all servers on WoW.

2) There are -no- maintenances that is 1 hour. 1 hour is simply for restarts and occur with the addition of *no* content at all, any content patches are far longer.

1) Not saying everyone did have connection/bug issues after HW, however some did (myself included) and server outages still happen occasionally. It happens in WoW, it happens here as well. I also personally have strange connection issues sometimes in FFXIV, mostly in dungeons, that I have nowhere else. I see others complain about it somewhat often as well, maybe it's an Aether thing.

2) https://us.battle.net/support/en/art...aking/20039305
This is how it usually goes in WoW.

Many of FFXIV's 3 hour patches are also incredibly tiny changes with no content added. 24 hour patches are also extremely rare in other games.

angry snip

Calm down. Look at the lodestone.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/category/2

As you can see from just this page, not even going back further than a month, FFXIV DOES have bouts of weekly maintenances. Not every single week since the game was launched, but for several weeks in a row every so often they do it. That's all I was saying. And please view the link I gave the other person.

And it's also not your place to be condescending about the value other people place on their money. A few cent to someone who works their butt off for it or doesn't have much money or just values their money more might consider the amount lost from a possibly unnecessarily long maintenance to be more impactful than you find it, and how is it your place to judge them for that or for simply asking questions about it?

Well gee Idk. The arguments I presented that you blatantly ignored.

• The size of this patch.
• The amount of processes that can create bugs.
• The amount of time it takes to check for bugs, despite a program doing this at an amazing speed for hours.

If your class said anything about how a MMORPG works. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than just networking.

You don't think other MMOs have to deal with these things too? Yet somehow they manage to do it much faster. You don't think that's worth wondering about?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Calm down. Look at the lodestone.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/category/2

As you can see from just this page, not even going back further than a month, FFXIV DOES have bouts of weekly maintenances. Not every single week since the game was launched, but for several weeks in a row every so often they do it. That's all I was saying. And please view the link I gave the other person.

There are only 4 instance of All worlds maintenance in that link, 5 if you count the current patch. There is PSN maintenance , specific datacenter maintenance , lodestone and mogstation maintenance listed that bloats the maintenance list to look full of stuff.

So, going back to the start of November, there are only 4 that impact everyone.

Hardly a lot of impact there, and certainly not weekly.

[Adire]

I stopped paying attention to it because of one word: Troll


As what I feel may be going on in this thread.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you or the popular viewpoint must be a troll.

There are only 4 instance of All worlds maintenance in that link, 5 if you count the current patch. There is PSN maintenance , specific datacenter maintenance , lodestone and mogstation maintenance listed that bloats the maintenance list to look full of stuff.

So, going back to the start of November, there are only 4 that impact everyone.

Those are the ones I'm talking about.

All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Nov. 2)
(5 day seperation)
All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 7)
(7 day seperation)
All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 14)

I'm sure I can find more of this, even longer bouts actually that I recall, if you really want me to.

You're referred to as a troll because you've been talking nothing but nonsense the entire time.

Hit my daily post limit, but:

I disagree because this doughnut sucks.



Okay? Did it taste bad? Does it smell bad? Did it make you sick? Was it even made like a doughnut?


I view anyone as a troll who can't put up a reason what they hear, feel, saw, smell of whatever they're trying to argue.

The just because I say so is never gonna win me over to your side.

This guy posts this gem, and you're saying I'm talking nonsense. That's hilarious.

I've given him a very simple argument. What makes XIV a special case, why is it acceptable and understandable that it takes so much longer for minor and major patches than the average MMO?

All he continues to do is post link after link of walls of text that the average reader passing by will not read, that has no explanation at all of why XIV requires longer maintenances than other MMOs. Which I'm guessing is the oh-so-popular obfuscation of information technique employed on the official forums in debates. Post a link, people see you posted a link and might assume you've disproved the person you're debating with.

https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS

I see many lasting more than 1 hour and some on consecutive days.

I see far more 1 hour maintenances. Are we looking at the same page?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Those are the ones I'm talking about.

All Worlds Emergency Maintenance (Nov. 2)
(5 day seperation)
All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 7)
(7 day seperation)
All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 14)

I'm sure I can find more of this, even longer bouts actually that I recall, if you really want me to.

Weekly Maintenance implies that it happens EVERY week, a few instances here and there do not equal maintenance that happens every week without fail.

[Cleftobismal]

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you or the popular viewpoint must be a troll.

I disagree because this doughnut sucks.



Okay? Did it taste bad? Does it smell bad? Did it make you sick? Was it even made like a doughnut?


I view anyone as a troll who can't put up a reason what they hear, feel, saw, smell of whatever they're trying to argue.

The just because I say so is never gonna win me over to your side.

[Cleftobismal]

All he continues to do is post link after link of walls of text that the average reader passing by will not read, that has no explanation at all of why XIV requires longer maintenances than other MMOs. Which I'm guessing is the oh-so-popular obfuscation of information technique employed on the official forums in debates. Post a link, people see you posted a link and might assume you've disproved the person you're debating with.

Did I not post you a guideline to look at? Or would you prefer I not guide you through the sources that I shared.


Something that I see this forum lacks in debates.

Sources. Now when I give one it's being shunned as random junk. Are you for real? lol Or did you really not look at that.

http://www.360doc.com/content/09/011..._2341619.shtml


Check the Security section on Cheat prevention and exploit.

+Data Management
+Code Quality (This Is OH SO IMPORTANT)
+Server side
+Just read the whole thing its a great read.

[Cleftobismal]

You don't think other MMOs have to deal with these things too? Yet somehow they manage to do it much faster. You don't think that's worth wondering about?

http://www.360doc.com/content/09/011..._2341619.shtml


Are you saying this after you read this? Your answer you oh so passionately seek are in there.

Seriously.

Check the Security section on Cheat prevention and exploit.

+Data Management
+Code Quality (This Is OH SO IMPORTANT)
+Server side
+Just read the whole thing its a great read.


Personally. I've never in my life played a MMORPG where I ran into minimal bugs after a major patch. FFXIV seems to be the only game I can recall that achieved this. Yet those Bi weekly and weekly maint. mmo's everyone else on this thread seems to talk about just don't seem to cut it.

Not every bug can be found. That is a definite fact.


The amount of bugs resolved though is up to the team that runs the QA's. (Quality Assurance)

[ElHeggunte]

Calm down. Look at the lodestone.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/category/2...

I'm not sure what your point is then. You talk about how often the game is offline compared to others and then go on to provide a link to shows that it's really not offline globally that often, at least not intentionally. Most certainly not weekly even though it may sometimes happen on concurrent weeks.

And please view the link I gave the other person.

You mean the misleading WoW link you posted showing a 1-hour maintenance on the 17th? It's only one hour long because it's "activating" content that was added over a several-hour period last week. WoW's average maintenance time is three hours. Their rolling restarts are only about an hour, but that's not the same thing as scheduled maintenance.

And it's also not your place to be condescending about the value other people place on their money...[snip]

Of course people are free to value and spend their money as they see fit, but if they don't want to be judged, they shouldn't come to public forums and make ridiculous threads about wanting 50 cents worth of compensation for scheduled downtime that happens so infrequently, they'd walk away with less than 5 dollars after an entire year even if SE paid out appropriate compensation every single time. I'll also say this to anyone and everyone who spends ~$15 a month on a game, but values 50 cents like it's their last drop of water while they're stranded in the desert: priorities.