Stupid reason to report someone

[Mimilu]

someone isn't leeching if they are pulling their weight which isnt based off your opinion of what someone should be required to do or not. it's based off what is required to beat content.

this is a game?! people actually enjoy dungeons?! pfft i forgot people don't play for fun they play to turn the game into job online 3.0!

It is leeching if they aren't doing anything that actual helps the party for 75% of the dungeon.
And you're ruining other people's enjoyment by holding them up.
You say you want a discussion but all you've presented are flimsy arguments trying to justify laziness.

[Musashidon]

It is leeching if they aren't doing anything that actual helps the party for 75% of the dungeon.
And you're ruining other people's enjoyment by holding them up.
You say you want a discussion but all you've presented are flimsy arguments trying to justify laziness.

actually its not leeching because healers are required to dps to meet the end goal. if a healer is holding anyone up the dps should do better since they are the ones slowing the run down.

i do want discussion but the only reply is *you are lazy or bad if you don't dps* which is you opinion but there isn't much discussion if insults is the only thing people use as an arguement.

[Greedalox]

if a healer is holding anyone up the dps should do better since they are the ones slowing the run down.

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Minimal healing requirements are a lot less effort than pushing a decent DPS into High End DPS. While it's much easier for a Stance Dancer Healer to supplement the missing HIGH end dps. You're being silly.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

actually its not leeching because healers are required to dps to meet the end goal. if a healer is holding anyone up the dps should do better since they are the ones slowing the run down.

i do want discussion but the only reply is *you are lazy or bad if you don't dps* which is you opinion but there isn't much discussion if insults is the only thing people use as an arguement.

Freudian slip?

We're going to try this one more time. If the tank pulls six mobs and a White Mage casts Holy. That is 920 potency. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing, any DPS job in this game can do to make up 920 potency. You are literally asking for the impossible. Just to emphasis it more, my ideal aoe rotation is Heavy Thrust -> Ring of Thorns -> Doom Spike. Those three abilities combine for a total potency of 2,030 on six mobs. In the same amount of time, the aforementioned White Mage will net 2,760 potency with three Holy spams.

Just so we're crystal clear. You expect a Dragoon to make up 2,760 potency, which is more than they even comparable of in the same time span.

[Zojha]

if a healer is holding anyone up the dps should do better since they are the ones slowing the run down.

Actually...
A mediocre healer can add up to twice as much DPS to the party as a DPS going from mediocre to top tier. And that's just bosses, the large amounts of AoE go extra. On average. In dungeons, where they are the only healer.

You're saying here that both DPS should go from mid-tier to top tier to compensate for the healer not wanting to play even mediocre. And even if the DPS did, the healer could still shave off a handy 2-3 minutes off the run by playing mediocre, because their DPS is independent from that of the DPS. Yes, mediocre - You're the only one demanding people to play perfectly, namely DPS.

*brizzle fizzle*

[Musashidon]

You're the only one demanding people to play perfectly, namely DPS.

i don't expect or demand anyone to play perfectly i was simply saying at base value a slow run is do to dps not being up to par and people who have complaints about that should talk to the dps not the healer.

a healer can shave time off a run but it still requires everyone to play well to truely have a good run as even if you have a good dpsing healer it means nothing if your dps are bad to begin with.

Freudian slip?

i am only lala!

i don't think anyone should have to make up for anyone! but i don't expect a healer to provide dps i think this is our view difference, by never putting the healing even into the solution i see it at base value.

yes a healer can really change a dungeon but i don't ever look at a healer like *you better dps oooo i am just waitin!*

i have always looked at it like as long as we beat the dungeon i dont have a care in the world.

even in speed runs i don't worry about a dpsing healer just the two dps aoe and we don't die. even if it's not as efficient as with a whm aoeing

[Mimilu]

because healers are required to dps to meet the end goal.

You agree that healers are required to dps to meet the end goal. :-D

[Erik501]

I am sorry, but I can't see the reason of this argument. I have some questions for both parts of the argument:

For the no DPS healers: Is it because you get too stressed when you try? No problem, just say so. Most people will understand it and let you be. Is it because you don't feel confident enough? No problem, just say so. Is it because you just think that you should not DPS because... reasons? Ok, fine by me but, why don't you just try? Give it a shot at least, there is no reason to be closeminded about it. This is only a game. If you try and just don't like it I would bet it will be probably for one of the two reasons I said before and, again, it's no problem, just say so.

For the other part of the argument: guys, it is the duty finder. It is fine to offer advise, I myself am learning a lot through it, but some of you seem to be much more concerned with the performance of other people than your own. Why is that? Don't you have fun doing your thing the best you can? If you do then, well, do it then and have fun. Is it that you can only have fun if you are constantly calling out everybody else everytime because they are not doing things as you think the should be doing? Ok, fine by me, but in that case the party finder is your tool to do so, not the duty finder. Is it for "time efficiency"? Well, let me remind you that this is a MMORPG, I mean, it is desinged to be a huge time sink. If you have found a way to feel the illusion of not being wasting time doing something designed to actually waste time then it's fine by me again, however if you expect everybody else to do the same mental juggling as you then you are expecting too much and, again, you can use the party finder for that, no the duty finder.

[Watachy]

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Yeah it's really fun to actually do things and see your healer sitting down, emote spamming or jumping around in xelphatol.
That's what i call a carry or a lazy player.

Asking healers to heal ? Fine, i've nothing to argue with someone on what the party should or should not do.
Respond something like "i play the way i want" and i will be pissed off. And im not talking about the players that don't respond even once and stay lazy.

The way you want to play is bothering 3, 7 or 23 other people, that's a votekick call.

[Erik501]

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Well, I play a tank because I enjoy it. I don't care what the healer does as long as he/she is trying to keep the party alive because I have fun playing as a tank, and since that is exactly what I am doing and the healer is doing what is required to keep me doing it then I am perfectly fine and having a lot of fun. We have two tools here: party finder and duty finder. Can you have fun just doing your thing the best you can regardless of how good or bad the others are doing their thing? If that is the case, as it is my case, then the duty finder is your tool. Can you have fun only if everybody else perform according to your own standards? If that is the case, as it seems to be your case, then the party finder is your tool. None of us is right and none of us is wrong, we just enjoy different things. However it is not like we are helpless, we have options: duty finder and party finder. Use them accordingly and we will all be fine.