December 2011 is the end

[Solfleur]

I've been away for a bit. I just read through 1.19 and 1.19a notes. I even took notes, thinking I would play a while, but then I got to more changes that just flat ticked me off. They just make zero sense. Again, another thing I really loved about the game, being able to heal health and mp while moving, was removed. Why? What possible reason? I think that was something everyone really liked about the game. Why, other than pure black heartedness, change THAT? Why literally change EVERY fun, new, cool thing about this game?

CON, I'm sorry, CNJ was gimped even more with all 6 ancient magic spells put on a single timer (forcing us even MORE into the healer vs nuker mode of play of course) and recast on Victimize was set from 10 to SIXTY seconds and made PGL exclusive. They have strayed so much from the rotating armory system that originally made this game so fun...maybe it's just time for me to give up on MMO's period.

Then there's the whole WoW effect thing. Looking at their future artwork, while I'm happy they are (again, if it's to be believed THIS time) promising male miqo'te, which would be cool, so much of the rest of the new graphics look like recycled WoW, down to the armor and mounts, that I know it's just a matter of time until we're calling our characters toons. I HATE WoW! If I wanted to play that I would be playing it, but it appears that is where they want to go--dungeons, raids, insipid question marks above NPC heads, endless quests, and now mounts and huge-shouldered gear (you know, the bigger your shoulders the cooler you are!) and mega-weapons. Ugh... This is not improvement. This is mockery...of US!

And it's sad.

I think the happy people are those who are blind followers of whatever they follow, be it their religion, their team or their game, and they are not fond of the rest of us who think a little deeper than that. I swam up hill against that thinking a LOT in the Army too. "Just follow orders."

Anyway, ZAM's results are more realistic at 50/50. I think SE will be lucky to keep that many for half the time. The changes are too drastic with no reward, and as captainpicard said, this is now a sinking ship. Unless those new jobs (which are the core of what will have to save this game) really take hold and create sweeping changes this ship is going to continue to have a very decided list in favor of DD, and it's never going to recover.

Very sad. It really was beautiful and visionary.... at the beginning.

Now it's just another WoW clone with all that was unique to FF tossed aside in favor of not being what the original team wanted. Imagine if the orignal team had been given all this time and money to work with....what a magnificent game we would have then!

I hope they make it somewhere. They were artists and true to the Final Fantasy name. At least what they created was unique and delivered as promised. My early months of playing this game were the most fun I've ever had playing an MMO.

[TheVedis]

I refuse to read this thread. I hope you know that 600 people saying yes and 200 people saying no is actually ONE out of FOUR. As in 1/4. Not 1/3. Not to be rude, but at least know something as simple as that before making a long post like this.

Small edit: I didn't read any other posts, other than what was on the first page. I'm glad someone else pointed it out.

someone earlier claimed that the math actualy was 1 in 2 lol


but yeah, its not as bad as people make it out to be by far

these threads are getting retarded

captainpicard = known troll on these forums

[Ilethius]

Were no longer in beta anymore we are now rolled back to the planning stages while SE work on v2.0, the biggest issue for me is we are going to have to put up with the laggy server, clunky UI and inbalanced combat for another year. I also doubt that moogle houses, linkshell administration and moogle mail wont appear until v2.0 either (I would have to re-check the updates for the next year to confirm that). Although SE hasnt abandoned us it really does feel like they have pinned all the hopes on the v2.0 release so I can see things that are planned in the next few months might be put on hold or not even implemented at all on the current version.

The future of this game is looking brighter it is just unfortunate that its going to drag its feet kicking and screaming until we get to v2.0.

[zaviermhigo]

God this thread is full of dumb. People who say SE doesn't need our money, do not understand how a business works, SE pays over 1million dollars for 250 workers combined salary, if FFXIV was its own company it would be operating at a loss, and not for any good reasons like other business do. XIV isn't its own company but instead its a portion of SE, even though SE makes money off of rpgs, eidos games, and such, it would like XIV to pay for itself. At this rate its not, its costing them more and more, the rest of SE shouldn't have to take the fall for the game. That's typically not the way gaming studios the size of SE operate, if SWTOR sucks, the rest of EA mainly made up by EA sports shouldn't take the fall for it, they should of been able to make enough money as an mmo to take care of operating costs, salaries for devs and such which is techincally operating costs, but I don't know how smart people are on the forums, the mmo should also make a profit for them after this.

XIV can't take care of its own operating cost, XIV can't pay the salaries for the people who work on it. XIV can't make a profit. To make a profit they will need to charge for the game. The worst part is they didn't charge this first year or make any money, so now they have to make 2.0 with no revenue being generated for this game outside of what people bought the game for. Most people playing right now bought the game for under $25 bucks (i bought CE for 80 so don't talk to me). (now SE prob got close to full wholesale price for all xiv copies, if you bought yours for cheap, the person/place you bought it from probably took a loss.)

Those of you asking SE to continue to fix the game without willing to pay for the game must not know much about how business/accounting in general is conducted. And aside from that get rid of your gimme gimme attitude before you enter the real world, people hate that entitled attitude.

[Estellios]

Um Solfleur, Ancient magic is awesome now. As in the damage it does is absolutely phenomenal. I actually use them now. All the stat changes made CNJ good at nuking like it should have been able to.

You also still gain MP while moving. What they changed is that now while standing still the amount of MP you recover goes up gradually and drastically. Moving or performing actions resets the recovery rate to the base value.

Please actually try the game before you complain about something.

[Davorok]

The End is Near? No my friend, the End is Here.

[Answa]

Another user made a forum post that had a "like" this if you are going to pay and another "like" this if you are not going to pay. I checked it a moment ago and it was at 600+ will pay and 200+ will not pay so it is basically sitting at a 1 out of 3 players will not continue to pay as of the writing of this article.

The results are misleading. This forum is heavily skewed towards people who are fervent players of the game. My guess is many people who still log on and play occasionally or even frequently do not post here. Thus, I really see this as 1 out of 3 players that still care will not pay.

The results do not account for the vast number of people who still log on but do not care enough to post. They also do not account for the vast number of people who quit long ago, and now will have no incentive to return (except for perhaps a very short time periodically to see any progress)

In other words, the forums put forward the voice of the very vocal minority, and do not reflect the majority of players.

Consider the following:

1. The very small current player base, which is propped up by free service
2. The forth coming premiere triple A titles
3. The road map that clues potential new subs into the fact that this game is essentially not going to massively change until 2013

These factors all lead me to believe that those choosing to subscribe through out 2012 will be very alone in the game.

I wish the game success, but I see this move as another in a long series of SE blunders. I understand they would like to start seeing a revenue stream from the game and do not wish to provide free services for another entire year, however, I can hardly fathom how saying the current title is 50% complete, stating that they would not charge until the game was "ready", and then announcing they were going to charge in December 2011, while putting out a road map to "readiness" showing 2013, is staying true to the course.

There have been many comments about the cost vs. people's budgets. I agree with most that the monthly service fee is not the issue, it is the principal behind it that is the issue. SE has exhausted all their personal currency with me, and these recent announcements just reiterate how that personal currency has been squandered.

Another user commented that the commercials for needy 3rd world children could not cause him/her to donate, so they certainly were not going to fund ongoing development of a game for a multi-national corporation.

I could not agree more. The company has other revenue streams, other IPs, and this is merely a money grab.

Ultimately, you can take the "those that won't pay" from the other forum post and multiply it by 10x. You can also take the "those that will pay" and subtract at least a third, because something will come up, a new title will come out, any number of circumstances will occur that change their mind.

This is now officially a sinking ship, until v2.0 is released.

I'll check it out when that happens, until then, I bid you farewell, if for no other reason then I do not anticipate there being many people left to play with after December, making the relative cost vs. benefit untenable.

kbai (10 char....)

[Vahzl]

I believe my whole LS is committing to the "less than the cost of a single meal" monthly fee.

I am not 100% happy about it costing me so much, as personally I think €13 is too much for any monthly fee, €6 would be right on the money for the game as it stands, but meh, I am really enjoying it right now, and feel it is ready to be paid for, and whenever im playing an MMo, I tend not to buy other games so I suppose it's an investment.

[Answa]

I believe my whole LS is committing to the "less than the cost of a single meal" monthly fee.

I am not 100% happy about it costing me so much, as personally I think €13 is too much for any monthly fee, €6 would be right on the money for the game as it stands, but meh, I am really enjoying it right now, and feel it is ready to be paid for, and whenever im playing an MMo, I tend not to buy other games so I suppose it's an investment.

I dunno where people got this figure, but people are claiming it'll be 999 crysta. ~$(Euro)9.99

[Menes]

The OP said 200 out of 600 = 1/3. Teakwood said 200 out of 800 = 1/4. Lamentor said 200 out of 600 = 1/4. I can't stop laughing.