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    Player Miles_Maelstrom's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    This is very simple to answer.
    The system is simply not designed for this. The game still thinks you are wearing that item somewhere.
    It is also the reason why you cannot glamour items that are above your level while you still have the correct job.
    To do what you want will probably require a whole revision of the glamour system, if not the whole armor system of the game.
    This is the correct answer. Throw all those lore/feel reasons to the side, because they all take a back seat to this. It's not as easy as flipping a switch, to lift the restrictions as you think, you would need to lift the original gear restriction for the class glamour restriction on be removed. The main culprit and the main reason SE won't lift, is because to let glamour go past gear restrictions it would take redoing the entire system. Which they currently do not want to devote the resources to doing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom View Post
    This is the correct answer. Throw all those lore/feel reasons to the side, because they all take a back seat to this. .
    But they should tho , everyone doesnt raid, everyone doesnt craft or gather, but I'm pretty sure almost at least 75 percent of the players in the game use glamour. Glamour is one of the most important things in a game, and with this games unique system they should open the gates to more fun with the system.

    Remove job restrictive gear, remove the level 50 quest to even do glam, make prisms even more simple than they are now, and also enough with the shared gear. Why should all your healers and tanks look exactly alike, its stupid buy into your all on one build the game has made, stop separating things, you are still one character the only thing that should be different is job quest, main weapon , abilities and exclusive mounts everything else like gear should be a free for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    But they should tho
    But take a second to realize how much of a monumental task that would be. I work in software QA and I can tell you, a rework of that size will wreak HAVOC on Everything. Contrary to popular belief, bugs are not simple and they are created by stupid things and they are rarely connected to what they are effecting. So a change to the glamour and armoury system, could create a huge bug in the currency system, or the duty finder. You can't just gut a system, perform a massive overhaul and reinsert said system and expect things to go smoothly. A rework of that size would require months of QA on top of the months of programming and editing, and even then, they wouldn't pick up everything. So possible game breaker bugs could sneak in. Again, it is not that simple to just rework the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    But take a second to realize how much of a monumental task that would be. I work in software QA and I can tell you, a rework of that size will wreak HAVOC on Everything. Contrary to popular belief, bugs are not simple and they are created by stupid things and they are rarely connected to what they are effecting. So a change to the glamour and armoury system, could create a huge bug in the currency system, or the duty finder. You can't just gut a system, perform a massive overhaul and reinsert said system and expect things to go smoothly. A rework of that size would require months of QA on top of the months of programming and editing, and even then, they wouldn't pick up everything. So possible game breaker bugs could sneak in. Again, it is not that simple to just rework the system.
    But games X Y and Z could do it, so this game should be able to as well! It's gonna be 2017!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    But games X Y and Z could do it, so this game should be able to as well! It's gonna be 2017!
    I get the sarcasm and joke, but even then...as a member of the group that ensures X, Y and Z had that happen. I SLAP YOU SIR (or madam.)! XD

    /s

    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
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    But again, that would take months of work and even further months of QA to ensure the product doesn't suffer from the rework. Those pumpkins and christmas trees are made up a month or two in advance or they are often just a reused thing from last year. That's easy, reworking the system, even to a limited degree as you example, would take a considerable amount of time and manpower. Which the XIV team doesn't have. They gotta work on the patches, creating content for those patches (Raids, dungeons and primals.) all while also working on this system rework, it would be hell for them. Yoshi-P even explained, the reason the Inventory expansion has taken so long, is because it would effect the servers and network systems due to how the game is put together. So they would need to improve that before anything could be done to the inventory system. Hence why they are rolling it out in two parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Well if it was an issue witch I really dono how big of an issue it would be, but then again I dont know but I see how they just throw random stuff in the game like pumpkins, and Christmas trees on a whim whenever they want but thats something totally different.
    "Pumpkins and Christmas trees" are not even remotely the same as glamours, so your comparison falls apart. There's a HUGE difference between making a new static model for the purpose of decoration and trying to work out a complicated glamour system that involves trying to swap out clothing models on an active player character model with job/race/gender restrictions.

    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    I get the sarcasm and joke, but even then...as a member of the group that ensures X, Y and Z had that happen. I SLAP YOU SIR (or madam.)! XD

    /s
    At least you get it! As someone in the customer service industry, it's amazing how people refuse to listen to you when you tell them exactly why you or the company can't adhere to certain requests or suggestions. It's like the "I WANT IT NOOOWWWW!!!" mentality we had as kids never escaped from some adults today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    At least you get it! As someone in the customer service industry, it's amazing how people refuse to listen to you when you tell them exactly why you or the company can't adhere to certain requests or suggestions. It's like the "I WANT IT NOOOWWWW!!!" mentality we had as kids never escaped from some adults today.
    Agreed, least to a point. I sorta want it but I'm more in the wishful thinking camp. I understand the task we're asking for and it would be too much.

    Also...my condolences and thanks for the work you do in Customer Service. I've heard the horror stories and you guys are the real MVPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    But take a second to realize how much of a monumental
    Well if it was an issue witch I really dono how big of an issue it would be, but then again I dont know but I see how they just throw random stuff in the game like pumpkins, and Christmas trees on a whim whenever they want but thats something totally different. If this would cause a problem then the least they could do is make things fair like I said and Im pretty much a tank main, but tanks get to many perks in the game.

    What I'm sayin is tanks can wear tank gear, they can wear discipline of war gear, and they can wear pretty much anything a healer can wear but the exclusive class only gear. Discipline of war can wear their gear, and pretty much anything that a healer or caster can wear that's not exclusive. But casters pretty much can only wear caster gear or clothe gear that's not balanced and its not right. If just changing everything would cause an issue at least let everyone wear tank gear, disciple of war gear, and caster gear from top to bottom and not just allow tanks to wear all three glamour wise Im not referring to stats If they can do it for tanks then they can do it for all the other classes to
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Why should all your healers and tanks look exactly alike, its stupid buy into your all on one build the game has made, stop separating things, you are still one character the only thing that should be different is job quest, main weapon , abilities and exclusive mounts everything else like gear should be a free for all.
    Even if they decided to take on such a huge time and resource extensive task to rebuilt the armory and glamour systems. I still see them preserving Artifact Armors for creative, historical, and iconic reasons. Especially when it is regarding a 30 year old flagship franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    But they should tho , everyone doesnt raid, everyone doesnt craft or gather, but I'm pretty sure almost at least 75 percent of the players in the game use glamour. Glamour is one of the most important things in a game, and with this games unique system they should open the gates to more fun with the system.

    Remove job restrictive gear, remove the level 50 quest to even do glam, make prisms even more simple than they are now, and also enough with the shared gear. Why should all your healers and tanks look exactly alike, its stupid buy into your all on one build the game has made, stop separating things, you are still one character the only thing that should be different is job quest, main weapon , abilities and exclusive mounts everything else like gear should be a free for all.
    You are making grand delusions here. I would like to see your stats for that first line because i doubt glamour is nearly as important as you make it out to be.
    No developer would want to even consider remaking the whole armor system (which effects a lot more then glamours) if that is what it takes to get your freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    But games X Y and Z could do it, so this game should be able to as well! It's gonna be 2017!
    What x y and z games actually?
    As far as i know all games actually have this restriction, the only which i am not sure about is GW2.
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    Last edited by Assirra; 12-30-2016 at 04:55 AM.

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