DEV REQUEST: Remove Tome Cap or Cap per job in 4.0

[SpookyGhost]

Was going to make a big post but can't be bothered so the tl;dr of it is: MMOs and mobile games use manipulative tactics to keep the player hooked, invested, etc. XIV in particular uses these tactics to extreme effect because they realize that they don't actually have a lot of content to spread any sort of reward system across. So instead of giving you a breadth of things to do to obtain currency that would make the time investment of needing to cap per job worth it, they just give you a nice and easy cap to meet while keeping the cost of tome gear relatively low so that you don't get burned out quickly on doing the few pieces of content they have over and over. Wondrous Tails was an attempt to band-aid this problem via having you go back and do old stuff with some GUI elements tacked on to make it seem like it wasn't just rehashing old content and to an extent that worked for the playerbase but fundamentally it's not an actual solution. Apparently they have a bigger budget in 4.0 so maybe they'll actually add new content and abolish the restrictive caps in favor of more loose and enjoyable ones. Unfortunately removing them completely just won't happen because SE insists on nickle and diming you at every opportunity they can, but maybe we'll at least get a fair system.

Also you won't get many replies that are like mine because anyone on the OF is paying a sub, which means (unless they're new) they're already stuck in the proverbial skinner box.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I just hope the new Artifact gear is obtainable with the uncapped tomes as opposed to the cappable ones, because that made 3.1 such a miserable gearing affair as the gear wasn't shared among jobs, so it made gearing up much more obnoxious than usual. I know that was also how Myth worked, but I really dislike it.

I hope there are more ways to spend time and gear in general, will see how its done in Stormblood.

[xbahax92]

How about no tomes at all? Would be nice to get some new ways to get gear. And most important, how about making more than 1 set useful. We always aim for the 1 set which has highest stats. But it cant hurt to have different sets with different stats?

Anyway, back to topic; I'd be happy to get new opportunities to gather gear. Like a construction plan to complete your gear. For that you need to kill bosses in instances, world map, hunts, crafting, gathering. By contributing those items you unlock the gear you wanted (for the week).
Im done with tomes here, tomes there... Please no more.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You have the luxury of playing all jobs to 60, not the luxury of gearing all of them at once. This is broken on so many levels. Just remember the limitations are not there just for the hell of it. You can't just get all of your ilvl260 gear in a day and be ready for raiding. You are just blowing through content and a patch's longevity is severely lowered than it already is.

Making an uncapped tome stone system would mean they would have to greatly increase the amount of tomes required for a piece. Which in turn means even more grinding, and people will get sick of that real fast. More so than it currently is.

SE by the odd patch at least gives you more opportunity to gear multiple jobs anyways. Primals, 24-man, Diadem (well in 3.55 anyways), normal mode raids, crafting, and so on.

The rebuttal is by restricting people as they do leads to their eventual decline in interest. Those dedicated enough will level a serperate job anyway or simply unsub once they've exhausted all the new content because they don't want to pay for several weeks before they can reasonably take in a second or third job. Case in point, Specialists and red scrips were designed solely to limit omni-crafters. The response? People leveled an alt to by-pass the restriction and red scrips were eventually abandoned due to it being a complete mess.

[Yellow]

I think they need more end-game gear sets with different tiers (casual, mid-core, hardcore).

[Rufalus]

Just proceed with the upgradable custom armor system that Yoshida teased. You pick the appearance, you pick the stats, you increase its strength by doing quests and challenges in Eureka.

[Dumbledoremd]

They always can bring back the 1.x way to obtain the best gear, 2% droprate from endboss chests in the highest dungeons

with capped tome gear as an alternative

[Velhart]

The rebuttal is by restricting people as they do leads to their eventual decline in interest. Those dedicated enough will level a serperate job anyway or simply unsub once they've exhausted all the new content because they don't want to pay for several weeks before they can reasonably take in a second or third job. Case in point, Specialists and red scrips were designed solely to limit omni-crafters. The response? People leveled an alt to by-pass the restriction and red scrips were eventually abandoned due to it being a complete mess.

Because there is a benefit on a economical level on having an alt that can omni-craft. That is not the case with multiple jobs. It is a good thing you can't omni-craft on each class on one character.

Also I can guarantee you people will burn out faster doing a endless feeling of grind over a cap each week. Also I am under a firm belief you -shouldn't- be able to just have the top level gear on each job. Before you pull the "not everyone grinds out" argument, game balance should also be taken into consideration. Getting the 2nd best set for raids right at the start kills other content such as crafted gear, normal mode raid gear, and can be difficult to balance with odd patch gear.

Again, there is a reason a cap on tomestones exist. Anyone who thinks the Armory System encourages you to get the highest gear possible on all jobs will be disappointed.

PS: Yes just having it uncapped is a form of entitlement that the community does not deserve.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Because there is a benefit on a economical level on having an alt that can omni-craft. That is not the case with multiple jobs. It is a good thing you can't omni-craft on each class on one character.

Also I can guarantee you people will burn out faster doing a endless feeling of grind over a cap each week. Also I am under a firm belief you -shouldn't- be able to just have the top level gear on each job. Before you pull the "not everyone grinds out" argument, game balance should also be taken into consideration. Getting the 2nd best set for raids right at the start kills other content such as crafted gear, normal mode raid gear, and can be difficult to balance with odd patch gear.

Again, there is a reason a cap on tomestones exist. Anyone who thinks the Armory System encourages you to get the highest gear possible on all jobs will be disappointed.

PS: Yes just having it uncapped is a form of entitlement that the community does not deserve.

Actually, by limiting the market, Specialist server to make the rich, richer in most cases.

Depends on the system which replaces it. Allowing people to gear up additional jobs to their main can still come with restrictions. Perhaps only one job can reach ilvl 275 or something to that effect? Crafting could easily be tied enhancing gear-- with odd numbered patches removing whatever cap they do put. People typically grow bored with tomestone capping because progress is extremely static. I'm well aware weekly limitations are necessary. That doesn't mean they cannot improve upon the system as time goes on.

And no, it isn't. That's silly logic. People wanting to gear up additional jobs so they can take them into savage without hindering their party isn't entitlement. It's saying, "I want to play the game more, just on a different job." Considering the sheer difficulty of savage serves to gate most player's progression. The odd numbered patches also have this to fall back on.

[Felis]

How about a buy cap?
Only 1 tome gear can bought each week (similar how 24 man raid gear works, but without RNG). But to buy a second gear there can be a quest where you have to grind crystals from FATEs and have to buy rare items with both tomes.
This way the tome don't need a cap.