@Naoki Yoshida-> Make Samurai a DPS class!!!

[AndytheRaven]

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OMG someone finally gets it, add in 100 tanks and SAM and guess what me and very large portion of the community will still start off with playing SAM making que times horrible no matter what. Not everyone, but some of these people wanting a tank are the same people that just assume others will play it and not themselves, like the ones gunning for RDM.

If they add a tank sure eventually I will play it, but not as a first go to job, so the fact that RDM is dps has already sealed the fate of dps que times adding another dps wont change it just make it so you have a mixure of the two in DF.

And lastly as I mention in an earlier post I have no issue in them making a tank job just don't make SAM a tank, there are a ton of other classes they can implement into a tank.

[Shippuu]

there are a ton of other classes they can implement into a tank.

Really? Like what? What other options are there?
Remember, this is a game, where development time and resources need to be considered.
Find me another tank job that fits with this game's current tanks (meaning it should wear Fending armor), that has anywhere NEAR the same amount of popularity and appeal as Samurai. I'll wait.

[AndytheRaven]

Rune fencer for one which should have taken DRK place first of all and make DRK a DPS, but I don't need to name a list of tanks that's for the ffxiv producers to figure out. And by your logic we will not have anymore tanks after they implement the "last viable tank" option

[Enur]

meaning it should wear Fending armor

Oh yeah!

Look at this. Give him a katana and he's sure to look samurai'y.

While this is a heavy exaggeration surely you must realise that samurai would look downright silly in this games heavy armor. I vouch for Samurai to compete with DRG for armorclass. Mail suits a samurai better than plate in this game at least.

I am fairly neutral (leaning towards tank. You guys have fantastic points on the subject) on the tank/dps dilemma currently raised i must bid you this: How about a STR tank a la WoW Brewmaster monk tank, that staggers the damage they recieve over time? That would be quite interesting in my humble opinion. And a non-plate tank? I really like that idea. Instead of having a large health pool it would instead have a stagger period, making it easier for healers to heal out large sums of damage. And of course a few methods of mitigating the built up "stag"

[Senn]

I could see the next tank class having a hammer or something.
Not really sure what the gimmick would be, but I'm sure the devs would get creative with it if they went down that route.

[Katana190]

Oh yeah!

Look at this. Give him a katana and he's sure to look samurai'y.

While this is a heavy exaggeration surely you must realise that samurai would look downright silly in this games heavy armor. I vouch for Samurai to compete with DRG for armorclass. Mail suits a samurai better than plate in this game at least.

But... DRG wear equally heavy armor? Sometimes it looks even heavier, this arguement has never carried weight. Also if SAM is meant to start at 50 (like RDM) you won't even see them looking like this.

[Enur]

I bid you read the third line: "Heavy exaggeration" part again

[Katana190]

I bid you read the third line: "Heavy exaggeration" part again

Yet in the same paragraph you mention them using DRG gear.
DRG's armor might be branded mail, but you can't argue the fact some of it looks equally heavy or even heavier. Also some sets like the 24 man raid's share the same appearance but tanks get cloak or something additional.
I could picture SAM wearing DRG gear easily, because I could also picture them wearing tank gear.

[Enur]

I believe we are agreeing on one point: They could wear either. I merely disagree with the statement that SAM should be pigeonholed into fending armor.

While yes, most DRG gear is just tank gear modded to look lighter that is the point i wish to get across, i want a "lighter" tank. And if we can shake up the bag of norms in the meanwhile, why not? Another tank wearing the same gear as the three others. Dont you think it would be just a wee bit boring? What about the fifth tank they add? should it also have fending armor? sixth? Why should the dps then have their individual grinds when four tanks can share their gear?

One point against this would be gearing tanks as this would unable these samurais the ability to share gear with the other tanks, making gearing them all more tiresome. However as stated above, gearing dps classes is already tiresome, so all in all it would only mean more equal grinds, would it not?

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If DRG's gain acces to a geared tank when they themselves gear up, dont you think just a few of them would be more tempted to try it out?

[Katana190]

I believe we are agreeing on one point: They could wear either. I merely disagree with the statement that SAM should be pigeonholed into fending armor.

While yes, most DRG gear is just tank gear modded to look lighter that is the point i wish to get across, i want a "lighter" tank. And if we can shake up the bag of norms in the meanwhile, why not? Another tank wearing the same gear as the three others. Dont you think it would be just a wee bit boring? What about the fifth tank they add? should it also have fending armor? sixth? Why should the dps then have their individual grinds when four tanks can share their gear?

One point against this would be gearing tanks as this would unable these samurais the ability to share gear with the other tanks, making gearing them all more tiresome. However as stated above, gearing dps classes is already tiresome, so all in all it would only mean more equal grinds, would it not?

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If DRG's gain acces to a geared tank when they themselves gear up, dont you think just a few of them would be more tempted to try it out?

Ahh okay, I get you. It's not a bad idea, as there are many MMO's that Tanks don't all share the same gear. Of course it has it's pro's and con's. The pro like you mentioned would be if you had DRG geared you would feel kinda inclined to give SAM a go as you have the gear for it, the con is it would be hard to be a flexible tank if you had to grind 2 different sets, like you mentioned Melee DPS get this problem, why shouldn't tanks? I understand this.

BUT I do think Fending Gear is just the way SE will continue to do it, and I do believe in the future we will see jobs using Maiming, striking or scouting, just not yet. Or if SAM is made a DPS it will use one of the following (Although I really want it to be a tank, I can't ignore this fact)