Using 3rd party tools to call out Box Spawns / Enemy Buffs / DR considered cheating?

[Culfinrandir]

It's something that I class as cheating to the point that people who use it are scum, in my opinion. I am not fond of the same/similar tools being used to fully script trials & raids either. If you can't play the way it is intended then don't play, cheat as much as you like in single player games but your underhand behaviour is affecting my game & I will deal with it through the official channels.

Not aimed at anyone in particular, but if you are reading this & it does reflect your own actions then take it as advice.

[Enlial]

couldnt you do this with a macro?

/wait 60
/wait 60
/p "adrenaline soon"

and just click that at the start of the match? Not sure on the timings xD I tried to figure it out once but there seems to be a tiny bit of rng to them, they're def more or less timed though.

Yoshi-P mentioned awhile back the possibility of encrypting packets during pvp. No clue if thats still in the works but, like he mentions, it might block things like parsers and cooldown timer programs, but theres much worse out there and the people who make things like bot-assist programs will just find ways around it. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...03#post3696803

Ironically enough, a google search I did trying to find that post linked to one of the aforementioned program's forum where they were discussing it. So yeah... its a thing.

[TiaHariberux3]

couldnt you do this with a macro?

/wait 60
/wait 60
/p "adrenaline soon"

and just click that at the start of the match? Not sure on the timings xD I tried to figure it out once but there seems to be a tiny bit of rng to them, they're def more or less timed though.

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Adrenaline box callout is not that much of a impact since the spawns are always the same it's more about buffs etc.getting called out. Your solution also wouldn't work since macro would get canceled as soon as u use other macros that are more important (purify etc.).

[Guesswhat]

Not only is it cheating, it's also pathetic. It's not as bad as cheating through college (as I know some people did, who never hold a job for long afterwards. Hmm I wonder why??), but it's up there.

[SuperZay]

If you can't play the way it is intended then don't play

What about premade parties who use external voice communication programs to coordinate. It's obviously they have a huge advantage over parties who don't use these programs. And there's no build voice chat in FFXIV so it's not intended way to play it.

[TiramisuMacaron]

What about premade parties who use external voice communication programs to coordinate. It's obviously they have a huge advantage over parties who don't use these programs. And there's no build voice chat in FFXIV so it's not intended way to play it.

Using voice chat doesn't break the ToS.

[Yukumazi]

What about premade parties who use external voice communication programs to coordinate. It's obviously they have a huge advantage over parties who don't use these programs. And there's no build voice chat in FFXIV so it's not intended way to play it.

Voice communication is a WHOLE different thing compared to a program that automatically tells you when certain skills are popped. and when Boxes spawn.

Voice Communication still requires
1. Teamwork/Communication
2. Users to look at the enemy player's buffs and debuffs to even call stuff out
3. Need to Visually see animation to even call out things

3rd Party tool
Enemy pops Purify, Program TTS tells you Enemy popped purify without you even seeing it if you are busy
Enemy Pops blood for blood, Program tells you when Enemy popped buff.
Enemy Pops a healing buff skill. Program tells you when the buff is gone.

[Enlial]

I'm not conding anything, but bad UI design shouldn't be a factor in game difficulty. That'd be like, if SE suddenly decided the game was too easy so they just made all the onscreen text blurry. Or remember how before, you didnt have the numbers on your cooldown icons and had to guessitmate based on the shaded dial? That was absurd and made it incredibly difficult to line up your abilities -for me, anyways. Heck maybe some people liked the shaded dial and still use it, with the numerical display disabled. Options for all those things mentioned in the above post should exist for players imo.

The main issue, in my opinion, aside from being against TOS (and we all know damn well SE takes a soft stance on that. If they wanted to they could ban every single person with a hook into the ffxiv process, like they did in XI), is that tools like these are unfair to PS4 players. Console players do exist, they paid for the game, and they put effort into leveling their characters and learning pvp. Those players shouldn't be placed at a disadvantage like that.

I think the best solution would be for SE to offer a limited API for players to create plugins for the game. WoW does this with a modified version of LUA (I think... I know there are restrictions on what wow plugins are able to do). Maybe theres a technical reason this wouldnt work for PS4 users but I dont see why if the interpreter is built into the game.

My example was really meant to show that you cant be certain this guy was using a 3rd party app and it's unfair to call him out for cheating. Personally I don't use a macro with purify. Assuming you mean the self targeting one, there are certainly times when you need to use it on someone else. Plus, in general I try to avoid macroing abilities since it slows down their responsiveness (prevents being sent to server in advance for queuing and subjects them to latency). And even if he was, you're talking about a glorified stop watch. He might have even been using windows stop watch utility, which I guess is a third party tool also?

[SuperZay]

Voice Communication still requires
1. Teamwork/Communication
2. Users to look at the enemy player's buffs and debuffs to even call stuff out
3. Need to Visually see animation to even call out things

An advantage is an advantage. If you want a fair match, there should be no any external factors which affect your internal in-game performance.

[FreeKingStefan]

An advantage is an advantage. If you want a fair match, there should be no any external factors which affect your internal in-game performance.

Are you just arguing to prove a point, or do you actually believe that? Verbal communication is an essential part of human interaction. Having a program give you a play-by-play of what your opponent is doing and when objectives need to be taken is totally different.