Naoki Yoshida's Comment in Regard to Jump Potions/Boost Potions

[Naunet]

Your post seems to want everything and give nothing. Don't spend money, don't give them the time, but fix it now and the expensive and time-consuming way. And yes it would take a gosh darn long time and resources to un-link and re-adjust all those quests. FWIW i'm speaking out of actual experience.

Then you didn't actually read my post.

Where do you see me not wanting to give them time? And I'm spending money - I bought the game when it launched and bought HW and continue a sub. What I DON'T think is okay is for them to ask US to pay even more to bypass an issue that they should take responsibility for fixing. Should the story skip potion go through, I can pretty much guarantee you that they will never re-examine the ARR content that they've admitted is not fun.

They've got plenty of time to fix things. I don't even care if it's all fixed by Stormblood, but I sure as heck would prefer an honest effort to begin repairs (and structure Stormblood in such a way that it does not continue the problem) over potion cash grabs.

I wrote this list a few dozen pages back that shows exactly what can be done to have those claws extracted AND the MSQ trimmed, I'm sure you could reply with even more ideas.

Great suggestions. For E, I presume 2.1-2.55 encompasses all the post-50 ARR story, right? I'm horrible at keeping track of patch numbers. xD

I don't think you should have to finish the 2.0 story to access new jobs, though. They should be accessible as soon as you hit level 30 - similar to how rogue/ninja unlocks when you get any class to level 15.

To your list, I would add that all dungeons should unlock in the same way as the side dungeons - or, so that SE doesn't have to add any new quests, just have the currently-MSQ-tied dungeons unlock automatically in the dungeon finder when you reach the appropriate level.

[VTXShiva]

And I'm spending money....

They've got plenty of time to fix things.

1. I'm also spending money since the game released and bought both CEs, have the game on both PC and PS4 AND have a second account on PC. Are we really measuring our epeen by whose "support" is more important in an anecdotal way, because as far as I'm concerned we're both just an extra "1" on the payroll.

This isn't all about the anecdotal "you" it's about everyone in the community.
2. They don't necessarily have plenty of time to fix this. MMOs by nature need to have a constant influx of new players; they can't, as much as they'd like, rely on the constant to not change. Ideally this issue will be addressed in some form or another by Stormblood; but i don't see this happening by then using your method. And due to the nature of the change, it's not something we'll see a constant update on. It's more or less an all or nothing thing.

[Naunet]

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The only one who chose to make this into some kind of weird "epeen" thing is you. You accused me of not wanting to spend money to support the game, which was silly. I'm not sure why you felt the need to respond further and try to "one up" me when I was simply pointing out that money does get spent.

All SE needs to do is work on this gradually. They need to bake the fixes into Stormblood's own MSQ so that the problem is not self-perpetuating, and they need to BEGIN work on fixing the ARR-->HW mess. Take it in little chunks at a time. I'm not demanding miracles here; I'm demanding that SE work on their dang game.

In hindsight, you are right. The one difficulty with this change is that class quests will have to stay within the expansion area (as that is a huge change that is not worth it). It's a difficult one that is best learned from in SB.

Eh. The 30-50 class quests for DRK, AST, and MCH pretty much entirely take place in the ARR world anyway, save for the pick-up and turn-in points. Since you have to purchase HW in order to access them anyway, I don't think it should be that unusual to allow players access to only Ishgard so that they can grab those quests (and only those quests).

I just really, really did not enjoy having to play through 54 levels (which is about where you end up after you grind through the MSQ) before I could get to the job I really wanted. >_<

[VTXShiva]

The only one who chose to make this into some kind of weird "epeen" thing is you. You accused me of not wanting to spend money to support the game, which was silly.

You were the one who found a need to "point out" you're a paying costumer, as if that even means something while we're both posting on the forum. It was just a reminder that it's a stupid argument to make, even in passing.

And I never argued against the gameplay change. I want to see that process streamlined too. I'd rather see that become more enjoyable myself than spend 20$ on a potion.
HOWEVER I ALSO think many people want a solution sooner rather than later. I'd rather have the 20$ option NOW until I wait for the gameplay change to happen later down the line.
My point is that the argument you're making doesn't actively counter the purpose of the potion, they can easily co-exist with enough positives to counter the negatives.

[Naunet]

You were the one who found a need to "point out" you're a paying costumer, as if that even means something while we're both posting on the forum. It was just a reminder that it's a stupid argument to make, even in passing.

And I never argued against the gameplay change. I want to see that process streamlined too. I'd rather see that become more enjoyable myself than spend 20$ on a potion.

You literally said that I was demanding something without wanting to pay for it. I pointed out this was not true. That is ALL.

And again: if a potion exists, SE has no motivation for further improvement of the content the potion skips. Any player demands following will be directed to the Mog Station for the price of a skip potion.

[VTXShiva]

You literally said that I was demanding something without wanting to pay for it. And again: if a potion exists, SE has no motivation for further improvement of the content the potion skips. Any player demands following will be directed to the Mog Station for the price of a skip potion.

The context was in regards to the options
Pay for *potion* - No
Have resource intensive solution - Yes
Expect little to no delay on any of the rest of the content - Yes (and don't even try to contest this! The second a patch is delayed a month or two everyone will be screaming like little b****es; I've played MMOs far too many years to not see this one coming) It may not apply to you specifically, as it tends to not apply to me either, but when it comes to most people, this isn't a point of contention.

After everything this game has gone through and all the improvements and good faith from the developers, i sense a little bit of ill-will in your post.

[Fawkes]

Expect little to no delay on any of the rest of the content - Yes (and don't even try to contest this! The second a patch is delayed a month or two everyone will be screaming like little b****es; I've played MMOs far too many years to not see this one coming) It may not apply to you specifically, as it tends to not apply to me either, but when it comes to most people, this isn't a point of contention.

I'll try to contest it. There's no reason to assume they'd need all hands on deck just to make adjustments to old quests. The game is made by multiple teams and most of them wouldn't need to be involved at all in the process. Also there's no rush to get those changes made by a certain date. They don't need to have a bunch of employees making adjustments instead of working on new content, they could just have one guy work on it for a year or two. Instead of their current plan of having no people work on it ever.

[Naunet]

Expect little to no delay on any of the rest of the content - Yes (and don't even try to contest this! The second a patch is delayed a month or two everyone will be screaming like little b****es; I've played MMOs far too many years to not see this one coming) It may not apply to you specifically, as it tends to not apply to me either, but when it comes to most people, this isn't a point of contention.

I've never actually complained about the length of time between patches. It doesn't bother me at all, especially as I have plenty of other things to do with my time if I feel like I'm getting bored with any one particular game. My philosophy regarding MMO updates has generally been that they will come when they're ready (though of course I always hope for "soon"). You can't try and pick apart my own argument with an assertion that you outright admit may not apply to me (and does not apply to me).

I still maintain that if SE starts selling us story-skip potions, we will NEVER see any further adjustments to ARR content. There would simply be no financial motivation for them to do so, and I would be willing to bet that many players will even take up SE's banner with regard to this and meet any complaints with, "Just go buy a potion".

Well no but they would have to hire more people to adjust the MSQ as well as work on new content.

and if the cash shop couldn't cover all of that, well... that could result in an increase in sub prices.

Your prediction is absurdity. SE can fix it with what they have on hand. It does not need to be a mad rush to Stormblood. Again: they don't need to rush. Build Stormblood in such a way that it does NOT perpetuate the ARR/HW issues and then gradually chip away at the problems in the older content.

[Cedane]

You were the one who found a need to "point out" you're a paying costumer, as if that even means something while we're both posting on the forum. It was just a reminder that it's a stupid argument to make, even in passing.

And I never argued against the gameplay change. I want to see that process streamlined too. I'd rather see that become more enjoyable myself than spend 20$ on a potion.
HOWEVER I ALSO think many people want a solution sooner rather than later. I'd rather have the 20$ option NOW until I wait for the gameplay change to happen later down the line.
My point is that the argument you're making doesn't actively counter the purpose of the potion, they can easily co-exist with enough positives to counter the negatives.

I really don't want to jump on this argument at all, but, if I can just point out...

If they changed the dungeons at all, there would be people here proclaiming doom and gloom about that too, with arguments, panic, etc. It would have been a no win situation for the company no matter what path they took in this. People have complained in the past when things were modified to be easier in the past and I remember that very clearly. This is probably the big reason why they won't modify or touch the past content for that reason alone.

People will complain, no matter what kind of change SE would add in.

But, like I said, I don't mind the jump potions and I think we should see the results first when they are implemented in the system. I think taking the 'wait and see' approach is the best way to go. We only have an outline of how it will work. We have to see how they work and if it validates our fears or if its overblown.

It CAN be fixed or changed if it does go the way the anti-jump folks are going on about.

[LunaFaye]

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*beware off topic, but I couldn't help it :/

I wish we could make our characters look like the dogs in your signature.... I would have the best time ever running dungeons like that lol

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not

not being sarcastic.