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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    The only one who chose to make this into some kind of weird "epeen" thing is you. You accused me of not wanting to spend money to support the game, which was silly.
    You were the one who found a need to "point out" you're a paying costumer, as if that even means something while we're both posting on the forum. It was just a reminder that it's a stupid argument to make, even in passing.

    And I never argued against the gameplay change. I want to see that process streamlined too. I'd rather see that become more enjoyable myself than spend 20$ on a potion.
    HOWEVER I ALSO think many people want a solution sooner rather than later. I'd rather have the 20$ option NOW until I wait for the gameplay change to happen later down the line.
    My point is that the argument you're making doesn't actively counter the purpose of the potion, they can easily co-exist with enough positives to counter the negatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTXShiva View Post
    You were the one who found a need to "point out" you're a paying costumer, as if that even means something while we're both posting on the forum. It was just a reminder that it's a stupid argument to make, even in passing.

    And I never argued against the gameplay change. I want to see that process streamlined too. I'd rather see that become more enjoyable myself than spend 20$ on a potion.
    You literally said that I was demanding something without wanting to pay for it. I pointed out this was not true. That is ALL.

    And again: if a potion exists, SE has no motivation for further improvement of the content the potion skips. Any player demands following will be directed to the Mog Station for the price of a skip potion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    You literally said that I was demanding something without wanting to pay for it. And again: if a potion exists, SE has no motivation for further improvement of the content the potion skips. Any player demands following will be directed to the Mog Station for the price of a skip potion.
    The context was in regards to the options
    Pay for *potion* - No
    Have resource intensive solution - Yes
    Expect little to no delay on any of the rest of the content - Yes (and don't even try to contest this! The second a patch is delayed a month or two everyone will be screaming like little b****es; I've played MMOs far too many years to not see this one coming) It may not apply to you specifically, as it tends to not apply to me either, but when it comes to most people, this isn't a point of contention.

    After everything this game has gone through and all the improvements and good faith from the developers, i sense a little bit of ill-will in your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTXShiva View Post
    Expect little to no delay on any of the rest of the content - Yes (and don't even try to contest this! The second a patch is delayed a month or two everyone will be screaming like little b****es; I've played MMOs far too many years to not see this one coming) It may not apply to you specifically, as it tends to not apply to me either, but when it comes to most people, this isn't a point of contention.
    I'll try to contest it. There's no reason to assume they'd need all hands on deck just to make adjustments to old quests. The game is made by multiple teams and most of them wouldn't need to be involved at all in the process. Also there's no rush to get those changes made by a certain date. They don't need to have a bunch of employees making adjustments instead of working on new content, they could just have one guy work on it for a year or two. Instead of their current plan of having no people work on it ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    I'll try to contest it. There's no reason to assume they'd need all hands on deck just to make adjustments to old quests. The game is made by multiple teams and most of them wouldn't need to be involved at all in the process. Also there's no rush to get those changes made by a certain date. They don't need to have a bunch of employees making adjustments instead of working on new content, they could just have one guy work on it for a year or two. Instead of their current plan of having no people work on it ever.
    Well no but they would have to hire more people to adjust the MSQ as well as work on new content.

    and if the cash shop couldn't cover all of that, well... that could result in an increase in sub prices.

    I can imagine that going well if that had to be increased at all to cover that.

    You know, since we're doing what if scenarios and all, figure I'll throw in mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    *beware off topic, but I couldn't help it :/

    I wish we could make our characters look like the dogs in your signature.... I would have the best time ever running dungeons like that lol
    I wouldn't mind either. I love pugs!

    I also follow one of the devs on twitter. I can't a lick of japanese but he posts pictures of his pug all the time. I love him so much, he's so adorable!!!

    *end of off topic, I promise!
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    Last edited by Cedane; 12-20-2016 at 03:40 AM.

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    No

    One more vote for I don't like it.

    If it's really not about the cash, you should make them free to everyone or just eliminate levels. We all pay monthly, it should be offered on equal terms.

    This problem is your own fault for not making the effort to grow the game horizontally and instead taking the easy route of adding iterative content on top of iterative content to obsolete everything we did last patch... Don't make us paying customers the ones to suffer for your irresponsible management.
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    Nice!

    I'm glad they're adding jump potions like this.

    Is it the way every individual wants it to be? No.
    Can anything implemented in game played by hundreds of thousands of people ever be great for everyone? No.

    It is a good way? Yes.
    Will it solve the problems it attempts to address? Yes.

    Starting a game like this can be overwhelming when you're 'so far behind.'
    I think such potions are a great addition and will help the game continue on as an MMORPG leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedane View Post
    Well no but they would have to hire more people to adjust the MSQ as well as work on new content.

    and if the cash shop couldn't cover all of that, well... that could result in an increase in sub prices.

    I can imagine that going well if that had to be increased at all to cover that.

    You know, since we're doing what if scenarios and all, figure I'll throw in mine.
    They wouldn't dare touch the sub price. I'm willing to bet an arm and a leg on this. If they did, now THAT would be a shitstorm of epic proportions.
    Rather than do that, they would more likely focus more effort in improving, revamping and expanding the cash shop altogether (assuming this service nets them the revenue I *think* it does) and i don't mean 1-2 items every blue moon or the occasional seasonal items like they do now.

    5000 Yen is around 43USD/40EUR for those interested (whether this will be a 1:1 translation i don't know)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTXShiva View Post
    They wouldn't dare touch the sub price. I'm willing to bet an arm and a leg on this. If they did, now THAT would be a shitstorm of epic proportions.
    Rather than do that, they would more likely focus more effort in improving, revamping and expanding the cash shop altogether (assuming this service nets them the revenue I *think* it does) and i don't mean 1-2 items every blue moon or the occasional seasonal items like they do now.
    Oh god, would it ever. I am not disagreeing with you on that one!

    I don't mind the cash shop the way it is now or the occasional things they put up there. I mean, if you compare it to other MMOs, ours is really tame and pretty fair thus far.

    I am pro-jump here though but I can see some good points for those against it too. You made some good points yourself too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedane View Post
    Well no but they would have to hire more people to adjust the MSQ as well as work on new content.

    and if the cash shop couldn't cover all of that, well... that could result in an increase in sub prices.

    I can imagine that going well if that had to be increased at all to cover that.
    It would be nice if that was how it works, but our sub money doesn't go straight to the developers. SE gives FFXIV a budget that doesn't constantly go up or down directly in relation to profits from the game.
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