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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    You're assuming a newbie will feel pressured/forced into purchasing it, though. If a newbie wants to enjoy the story/levelling process, then they will REGARDLESS of how far behind they are. A newbie unsure about whether they're going to play the game for more than a month will also never buy the potions, as that could be a waste of money to them if they decide the game isn't for them.
    You failed to understand DrStiles argument. He is not arguing that people are being pressured into it in this post. He is arguing that the MSQ presents a very real problem to new players because it is essentially a giant wall blocking them off from content. He is not arguing whether they want to enjoy the story or not. What he is saying is that the giant MSQ wall is so frustrating and time consuming that it will chase new players away. Instead of fixing this issue for everyone thru patches/changes, SE decided to charge people for an issue on their end instead of applying fixes to accommodate those new players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet View Post
    You failed to understand DrStiles argument. He is not arguing that people are being pressured into it in this post. He is arguing that the MSQ presents a very real problem to new players because it is essentially a giant wall blocking them off from content. He is not arguing whether they want to enjoy the story or not.
    Id have to disagree with this , the arr story and the hw story can easily be finished withing a months time Ive seen many people do it. This is a cash grab at the end of the day and Im ok with that but Im gona call it wat it is. But money is good for everyone in the community lets just hope they use it wisely
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Id have to disagree with this , the arr story and the hw story can easily be finished withing a months time Ive seen many people do it. This is a cash grab at the end of the day and Im ok with that but Im gona call it wat it is. But money is good for everyone in the community lets just hope they use it wisely

    Its fine if you disagree but keep in mind what is said here.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrStiles View Post
    Yoshida admits that the MSQ presents a very real problem to new players coming into the game.
    I don't have the source of where yoshida made this claim but if you take this into account then that means the MSQ presents a real issue for new players. Whether you wish to acknowledge that or not to believe that is up to you.

    Not every new player is going to move at the same pace or be able to endure the MSQ. Some will just outright leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Heartnet View Post
    Its fine if you disagree but keep in mind what is said here.

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    So your saying that you don't think that the story can be done honestly Id say not even a month you can finish the story daily roulettes, potd gives insane exp floors 51 and up, fates guild heist hunts.

    All of these things can get you to 50 in less than a week, and you can repeat the same method to get to 60, if they wana catch up with friends then they obviously arent interested in doing anything else but getting to the end of the game so if they wanted to do so they could within a very short amount of time. What people forget is mmos are suppose to be years worth of content, it is built so that you can have hours and hours of game play. So no the story at this stage isnt to much of a burden and I complain about the gates in hw and everything but it can easily be done.

    The potions are just a way to gain a larger sum of money up front whether the player decides to stay or not lets be honest if someone wanted to skip the whole game basically 75 percent of it, how long do you really expect that said person to keep playing after they have finished the newest expansion id say not long. So with the potion and other items they add to the cash shop they are just expanding ways on which they can make extra money which in turn is good for the game, but like I said its not because the story is to tedious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    So your saying that you don't think that the story can be done honestly Id say not even a month you can finish the story daily roulettes, potd gives insane exp floors 51 and up, fates guild heist hunts.

    All of these things can get you to 50 in less than a week, and you can repeat the same method to get to 60, if they wana catch up with friends then they obviously arent interested in doing anything else but getting to the end of the game so if they wanted to do so they could within a very short amount of time. What people forget is mmos are suppose to be years worth of content, it is built so that you can have hours and hours of game play. So no the story at this stage isnt to much of a burden and I complain about the gates in hw and everything but it can easily be done.

    The potions are just a way to gain a larger sum of money up front whether the player decides to stay or not lets be honest if someone wanted to skip the whole game basically 75 percent of it, how long do you really expect that said person to keep playing after they have finished the newest expansion id say not long. So with the potion and other items they add to the cash shop they are just expanding ways on which they can make extra money which in turn is good for the game, but like I said its not because the story is to tedious.
    Sure, theres new players that can go through content quickly. That doesn't mean that there are players that are super slow at finishing content. I see players that are around level 20-40 for 2 months and i see other players hitting 60 more quickly than that. It all depends on the player.

    As far as your question goes about how long the player will stay is not a question i can answer. I have no data to support that. But my opinion is that a good mmo will have u staying for the end game content since that what mmos are now all about. End Game. And if the endgame is not interesting or fun enough then people leave. That is my opinion though.
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