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  1. #251
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    it's almost like you have to play a video game to unlock things in that video game or something

    you can't pay to start on disc 3 of final fantasy 7
    Final Fantasy 7 isn't an mmo, though. The whole point of an mmo is to play with others, and it's hard to do that if you need to spend 60 hours grinding in order to be able to do so.

    (I get that the current expansion isn't the only thing you can do with others, but HW, for example, was advertised with having three new jobs and Ishgard and I can see why new players would be turned off if they found out they had to spend hours grinding in order to unlock jobs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hero188 View Post
    You REALLY want to destroy the experience of a MMO, this is a good way to do it. I would in-fact think that think that this kind of 'jump potion' idea would detract real MMO fans.
    Yeah, that's why World of Warcraft no longer exists.
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  3. #253
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    If the choice is between new content I get to explore and participate in or less because of adjustments to old content I have already completed. I'll take the former every time.
    Stop setting up false choices that excuse SE from doing the work they should do to fix problems they created.

    But then, why should SE bother fixing things when they have players like you who create excuses for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emitans
    I was not aware FFVII is an online cooperative game I can play with my friends.
    Jobs already have no actual quests or challenge involved in unlocking them. Talk to someone, they immediately want you to be their new "whatever", and you have the job. Maybe you do a quest that has an instanced battle first, but literally no class quest, job quest, or 'monsters appearing during a quest on the overworld' have anything resembling a challenge to begin with. Compare this with FFXI's job unlocks sometime. Character Limit

    Besides, if "playing with friends" is somehow a problem because "they have to do the same things you did to progress" you must have friends with no attention span if you're unable to introduce them to it unless they can cut in line past 75% of the game. These sorts of players are just going to quit later anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    Stop setting up false choices that excuse SE from doing the work they should do to fix problems they created.

    But then, why should SE bother fixing things when they have players like you who create excuses for them?
    When World of Warcraft decided to overhaul their leveling experience everyone complained that it was the worst expansion ever because there wasn't enough to do at end game.

    The more work S-E puts into reworking old content the less time and money they have to spend on brand new content.
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  6. #256
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
    Final Fantasy 7 isn't an mmo, though. The whole point of an mmo is to play with others, and it's hard to do that if you need to spend 60 hours grinding in order to be able to do so.

    (I get that the current expansion isn't the only thing you can do with others, but HW, for example, was advertised with having three new jobs and Ishgard and I can see why new players would be turned off if they found out they had to spend hours grinding in order to unlock jobs)
    You don't sound like a very good friend. Have you considered playing with them before they're at cap? Or are you just too good to do those silly "leveling dungeons"?
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    I can see why they are doing it and personally don't see it affecting me much. I am wondering if they have noticed changes/trends with RMT on the Korean and Chinese servers since jump potions become available though.

    Overall though, while i do find it irksome that people would rather do this than enjoy the MSQ, I do see the merit to this potions and what affect it will have to bringing in new players. The alternative is to just wait and see the game become a niche game like FF11. Admittedly this wouldn't be as bad as ff 11 from a practical point of view but it would be the same design flaw at its root.
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    Some of you in this thread miss the point of it harder than a badly-melded SCH misses Broil.
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  9. #259
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    You don't sound like a very good friend.
    Sure, let's resort to personal attacks now.

    And I never said I didn't was against doing leveling dungeons. I meant, from what I've seen, is that maybe other people would like to experience the content that was advertised in the new expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxXpheniox View Post
    • This isn't WoW. Before you hit max level there is actually a fun and great game that can be played.
    • This won't extend the game's life. This will shorten it. If I can just jump to 60 and finish all the end game stuff what is there left to do? I'll unsubscribe once I've gotten everything I wanted.

      #NoJumpPotions
      Thanks OP <3
    I'm guessing you and others with the same thought did not read the post very well. The jump potion isn't going to bring you to the max level. Instead, it sets you at the end of the previous expansion's level cap and story. For Heavansward, this will bypass ARR's level 50 with 2.5 all complete. Person in question still has to do all of 3.0 to 3.5. When Stormblood releases, since the level cap is 70 and begins at 4.0, the jump potion will bring the character to level 60 with 3.5 complete. So, no one is going to be able to jump potion there way through Stormsblood...
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