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  1. #141
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    Rai Dolabnha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rita1989 View Post
    This is a story based MMO new players should need to do the MSQ if they dont like it they can go find another MMO.

    They can make adjustments to the current MSQ to condense it and make the first job 1-60 be fully done by doing the MSQ alone and remove the sub class and cross class abilties in 4.0 so you dont need to change to other classes while leveling and the effort needed to get to level 60 really wont be that bad.
    They'd have to re-write SO much that they'd end up remaking 2.0.

    I strongly disagree with you as well. Many people don't care for the story... why gate the expansion behind stuff that is ultimately worthless? Sure, people love the lore but from a gameplay perspective it doesn't do much. Edit: I do like how you went to wild extremes in a later post of yours. Being against something is cool, but going off the deepend invalidates any valid points you may have had.

    What I DO dislike though is job potions. Just... no.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    I hope you like Healers refusing to use offensive abilities "b-because I'm a healer not a DPS!!", because you're only gonna have even more of those now.
    Your point is....? Healer DPS is always nice but if it comes down to them tipping the balance then you need to have a chat with your main DPS as they're screwing up.
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    Last edited by Frowny; 12-17-2016 at 12:29 PM.

  2. #142
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    Litzor Alcrerion
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    First of all, I'd like to express my admiration for the dev team's handling of this most sensitive of issues. You guys have clearly been deliberating on this for a long time, and I'm grateful that you've taken the concerns of the playerbase into mind.

    That said, I think the implementation of jumping potions will do far more good than harm. My only desire is that a tutorial be presented to players who choose to use a level booster so that the fundamentals of the chosen role and job are explained to the fresh level 60 player.
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  3. #143
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sethala View Post
    -snip-
    They're not really 'knee-jerk reactions' in many cases. A lot of us have seen the negative effects this sort of thing has had in MMO's such as WoW and the dangerous precedents they set. Let's be honest here - they're likely to be added and the primary reasoning for doing so is 'more money'. People are way too quick to buy into sugar coated words of those who operate for profit and on behalf of those who operate for profit.

    The game is fun - and likely won't suffer too much at first...but over time if or when they decide to take even more liberties and back down on more promises? Well, that's when the real cause for concern will emerge.
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    Last edited by Theodric; 12-17-2016 at 12:27 PM.

  4. #144
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    Hyomin Park
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    I'm against these potions. I could understand if we were preparing for the fourth or fifth expansion, but this is only the second one. And already there are story skip potions?

    And job jump potions? Story ones I can unwillingly accept, but these? No! I can't!

    We already have people unlocking the 3.0 jobs, not bothering to read the tooltips, and then entering DF without the foggiest idea how to play the jobs (don't get me started on the amount of DRKs that don't even know what Darkside is, or even want to use it because "MP management is too hard", or ASTs that don't know what their cards do because they can't be bothered to read the effects)...how are these potions going to make that any better? I understand that bad players will continue to be bad, with or without these potions, but...

    The NA/EU player base is vastly different from the JP/CH/KR player base; that much is clear just based on how each player base handles different situation in duties. I just have a very uneasy feeling that a lot of people will purchase these out of laziness, and that they won't be used for alt characters or alt jobs. And I feel like the job ones do teeter on the edge of P2W. It gives you auto-level 60 (going off of what Yoshi-P said for the ones they would implement for post-Heavensward), with appropriate weapon and gear it seems, all of your skills, all quests marked as clear. How is that not P2W?

    I don't know...just don't have a good feeling about this. That's my 2 gil.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 12-17-2016 at 12:29 PM.
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  5. #145
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    I personally do not mind story skipping potions - can't care less if someone does not want to know what's going on.
    Level jumping potions I absolutely refuse to accept. To the point of stoping being a mentor that I enjoyed so much. There would be no help or answers from me if I suspect a jumping potion user and I would initiate a kick if I just see them performing not to the top of the role standards.
    Leveling is disgustingly easy as it is now and would be even worse. Dungeons difficulty is beyond easy as well. What was done to leveling dungeons pre 50 is just inexcusable and teaches people nothing. Also I'm afraid it would hurt queue times...
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  6. #146
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    Jess Ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rita1989 View Post
    This is a story based MMO new players should need to do the MSQ if they dont like it they can go find another MMO.
    There are plenty of people already that don't care about the story and skip every cutscene. You may be here for the story but not everyone is. A jump potion will not change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SakurazukaSeishirou View Post
    Dungeons difficulty is beyond easy as well. What was done to leveling dungeons pre 50 is just inexcusable and teaches people nothing.
    So what harm could a jump potion do?
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  8. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by SakurazukaSeishirou View Post
    I would initiate a kick if I just see them performing not to the top of the role standards.

    That is funny. There are many players who already don't perform to the "top of the role standards". Do you initiate vote kicks in every DF group you join already? Someone like you probably doesn't meet those standards either.
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  9. #149
    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinder2009 View Post
    There are plenty of people already that don't care about the story and skip every cutscene. You may be here for the story but not everyone is. A jump potion will not change that.
    ...and yet the story is a huge and very important draw for many players - especially the core target audience. Are the developers going to let the quality of the story suffer moving forward if and when the 'norm' becomes people demanding a focus on the fabled 'end game' and new content has to be pumped out at a quicker, more lacklustre rate?
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  10. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post

    It would be nice to have a clarification if crafters and gatherers would be included.
    if they believe there is money to be made without too much outrage it is fairly likely they will be included. just don't count on that unless they officially mention it
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